applesnoranges wrote:Gordy is the man who shows up at the backyard picnic in California and greets Piotrek. Nobody else does because he is the boss of the traveling show. Then we see him again in the shed when the phantom disappeared, and he "talks down" to Piotrek, like a boss who is getting impatient with an employee who doesn't understand anything.
Oh, the great "three-o-clock"-scene. Ok, now I know who Gordy is. I didn`t know that he and the person in the shed are the same person. First one is one of the strangest ones. Are you sure that it is in California? Couldn`t it be in Poland? Maybe the word I'm seeking is somehow like "subconsciousness"-scene. Somehow this whole scene is like "viewing it from a perspective of a baby". We have toys in the background. We have spilling. We have "Come here...and get some hotdogs" - isn`t an adult speech, is it? We have a problem with going to the toilet. There`s an infantile quarrel about the hammer (not screwdriver). One brought along his toy: the rope. There`s this strangely artificially beginning of the two female ones for getting food. And we have three-o-clock (when we regard midnight as end of life - three-o-clock is relatively early in the life span). Also the boss brought along his toy: his cap. Maybe he is just playing boss. On the other side we have very serious "adult" themes. Like that there`s something not ok with three-o-clock. The rope could be regarded as intestines out of the body. The hammer could be used as a murder-weapon. But maybe we are at the beginning of life. "An adult mean" is maybe a screwdriver or a gun. The cap could represent dictatorship. And the music is just like "here we are in subconsiousness-areas".
In the monologue he is just "They had this guy working there ... Marine from North Carolina", etc. So I still don't see where the speculation comes from about anyone really working for the phantom. I don't see the advantage of assuming that.
I know that the monologue is in this way. Working here I think is meant as how the formal relationships are. But one aspect of working is following. And the people in the circus seem to follow the phantom. Maybe only Gordy is left. Maybe all other ones followed the phantom. btw - Guess that we assume that the phantom is meant with "he". I don`t know how it is with others, but my speculation comes from - as I tried to explain - Lost Girl. She says: "I have to tell you all there is someone." And it seems that it is a problem that there is someone. So who is that someone causing problems? One maybe could argue that she means "Piotrek" and that the problem is that she doesn`t know him. But I don`t believe in this so far. The advantage maybe is: If "Piotrek" follows a phantom he won`t be paid and if he won`t be paid he can`t pay the costs of a family. "I can`t father children" maybe is not meant in the infertility-sense, but in the supporting-sense.
Now that you mention it, yes it seems so.
So maybe Devon is the little boy and Nikki is the little girl. But who knows the way to the palace? "Blue" rabbit (4.00; K)? Janek (7.00)?
From the beginning of when the visitor showed her the scene of getting the part, we seem to be watching a very dreamlike story that is told to her by Visitor #1.
It`s interesting that Nikki says that there is no murder in the movie. When we think about the death scene and the words from Kingsley to Nikki ("Nikki, you were wonderful") I think we can assume that there is a murder in the movie. But the talk from Nikki to Visitor 1 seems to be superficial ("I think I know where you live"). Visitor 1 ignores that she should go - she crosses a border. It`s interesting how she looks to the other side when the butler offers milk and sugar as if she would be disgusted and then says something like: "Yes, the coffee is very good."
There is another wonderful long scene of Sue and her husband arguing over where his shoes are in MTTH.
Again - I would like to see.
Nothing seems solved here; Piotrek seems panic stricken.
Janek seems as knowing what he does. He seems that he knowed it before that there is no phantom anymore. But "Piotrek" seems to much involved. The offered solution isn`t enough for him.
But another thing I keep wondering is how did Piotrek and Janek join up? When they see the phantom is gone, Janek takes him to the sÃ©ance where he is given the gun and sent into the story of Sue to hide the gun so Sue could see it and kill the phantom so that he could be with Lost Girl. I see that solidly enough I think. But whose idea was it for Janek and Piotrek to work together? At the beginning Janek tries to keep the phantom out of the story but he gets in anyway and Janek has to throw him out again. So maybe it is Janek who finds Piotrek to carry this out because Piotrek is already in the story?
To me it seems that we have two helpers in IE. One introduced at 4.00 (with applause) and one introduced at 7.00 (with slow appearing). "Blue" rabbit helps Nikki. And Janek helps "Piotrek". But - maybe - "blue" rabbit is also Janek. And - maybe - the secret of the "blue" rabbit is the way to the palace.
In the first line I think we have the following solution at the sÃ©ance: the understanding of "Piotrek" of whom he followed. I think that is the solution Janek intended with bringing "Piotrek" to the sÃ©ance. One "rabbit" seems to think "The right solution in this case would be to kill the phantom". Janek seems that he thinks that this wouldn`t be a good solution.
The gun seems not to be an appropriate solution. It seems that "Piotrek" doesn`t use it, but lays it down into the drawer. He doesn`t do what one of the "rabbits" assume a good solution. It seems that the screwdriver is the right solution.
I don`t think that Janek tries to keep out the phantom out of the story. It seems that Janek has the might to decide, whethter the phantom gets access or not.
btw: another detail I'll pass on from another board about Gordy's red cup and the rooster we see. There is a restaurant/nightclub etc. in Lodz where this was filmed called "Roosters". It has a web site so you can find it. All the decorations are red in there.
Thank you for this interesting information.
I think 4.00 and 7.00 are intended. We have so much to do with 4 and 7s in IE that David Lynch maybe has thought during he arranged the scenes "Something special has to occur at these times.".
Well, dogs like to move...