Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 7:46 am
No, I haven`t. Thank you for that interesting link, applesnoranges.
Our Woman in Trouble is Lost Girl.
Nikki Grace is a Woman in Trouble, too, I think.
She is the written character and created story of a tale semi-based on real-life events that took place in Poland.
I agree with that.
She figuratively sits in a hotel room where the real-life person she is based on may have been murdered as a prostitute, watching television, which may have been invented after her death but which may have come along by the time '47' was being made, as a kind of ghost of love... possibly even frozen at the very place where the making of '47' broke down.
Don`t know what the author means with ghost of love, maybe it has something to do with movies DL did before IE, but I don`t know it consciously. Ok, maybe the real-life person Lost Girl is based on have been murdered in that hotel room. But why as a prostitute? Why not as the actor of 4 7? We have to explain the TV and her being frozen. Maybe she was murdered as the actor of 4 7 and maybe this murder had something to do with the making of 4 7. Perhaps there were people who didn`t want that the story is seen on TV. So Lost Girl could see the cause of death of the person she is based on while being locked in 205. Of course, she didn`t want to die. What she did was just her work as an actor. She wanted to live with her family. But some people maybe thought that she was too much involved. And who involved her? Something inside the story I guess. Someone who hypnotized her, which led to abuse, seeing herself as a prostitute and death. Who killed her? Probably the wife who couldn`t give children to Piotrek.
The hotel is somewhere in the Baltic region, but this is not necessarily only a geographical location: it also stands in for a place that has undergone many changes and facelifts (political, industrial, national, ideological, religious), resulting in it both having a strong history and a murky, undefined quality. Ruins of former versions of itself lay everywhere (Prussia, Solidarity, Communism, atheism, Catholicism, factories, Roma, fascism, agrarian/bucolic pastorialism), like the grooves in records - find the right groove and you can hear the walls speak.
Yes!
The client who may have killed the woman that LG's character is based on is similarly trapped by the terrible deed he has done.
Assume that "Lost Girl"was killed by the wife of Piotrek. But where did "Lost Girl"and Piotrek got to know each other? Maybe in the making of 4 7. Maybe Piotrek was the male lead. So who was the hypnotizer in 4 7? Maybe the director of that movie. Could be Mr. Zydowicz. But maybe Mr. Zydowicz was "just"a vehicle. Maybe he was posessed by a Bob-like spirit for a time. So that would be the final cause. And a Bob-like-spirit probably can`t be trapped ("He wasn`t there anymore in the police station.").
Whatever his reasoning, he is able to request and is granted access to re-entry from Janek.
The reasoning of the phantom to get access is probably his nature. He has to hypnotize and collect vulnerable souls. And it is the job of the two-faced god Janek to do something for the "good"side and something for the "evil"side.
He may have been murdered for his deed of killing LG's real-life character by her once-girlfriend-lover and possible neighbor.
Believe that the phantom/Crimp can`t be killed. These are Bob-like spirits.
I think that Nikki Grace is a real-life character as was "Lost Girl"a few decades before. Perhaps Nikki Grace is halfborn (maybe the other half is "Lost Girl"), because she has a husband who can`t father children, nor does she found a "full"father in the making of OHIBT ("It is happening again."). She`s pregnant from Devon, but Billy says "Go away Sue".
She is NOT Lost Boy.
That`s true. But what can this mean? It can mean that she is Lost Girl! She walked behind the marketplace, she followed the alley, she followed the way to the pallace. She entered death and the keeper (Mr. K?, 2K?, Janek?, K?, Freddy?, Bucky J?) asked her for the password. She says a word similar to Karolina and gets access (although we wouldn`t expect). Marylin mirrors Devon and evil was born. The phantom entered the soul of Devon.
I don`t agree with that the rabbits are "prisoned". They are very mighty beings being able to use magic. They help when people in certain worlds use the means by which they can make contact to them. They monitor Janek, accommodate secrets and identify things that will lead to solutions. We aren`t allowed to forget the audience. What does the audience mean? Why does the audience give applause or laugh at certain points?
When enough of these pieces come together, a cursed character might be able to break out of the repetitive, life-death-rebirth curse cycle.
Didn`t dare to think that IE is about leaving the life-death-rebirth curse cycle so far. But maybe the author is right. Maybe the rabbits help Lost Girl to escape from that cycle by giving halfborn Nikki the role in OHIBT. They give "Lost Girl"a second chance, because they have mercy.
Ultimately, 'bad' comes from trying to possess or maintain the status of a given relationship or set of circumstances across time, space and through the senses. 'Good' comes from recognizing that all things, in their original and final forms, are unified, and that splintering off and then trying to maintain these splinters is 'evil', because it both corrupts the essence of the whole, is ultimately impossible due to the transitory nature of all 'fallen' circumstances, and is reductive to the universe in its perfect holism.
Well, "Lost Girl"certainly wants to maintain the status of a given relationship at the end. And this is an advantage for Smithie`s son. We hear the singing like "And now I have to live my life"(=not being catched in the making of 4 7 anymore?). They close the doors. They separate from the rest of the world.
Think that there is no lesbian relationship somewhere in IE. Nevertheless, there is a deep contact on a deep level of consciousness (probably within the unified field) between Lost Girl and Nikki where Nikki gets the information which will lead to a fullborn Nikki.
So who is Smithy?
Either Piotrek or Lost Girl.
How about the 9 whores?
They represent thoughts of Nikki. But aren`t there 8?
Bucky J?
The one who says to us that it isn`t so easy to put the right light on the thing. On the other side he appears like a phantom (as Smithy does).
(red = quotes from nosnojsirhc)
Our Woman in Trouble is Lost Girl.
Nikki Grace is a Woman in Trouble, too, I think.
She is the written character and created story of a tale semi-based on real-life events that took place in Poland.
I agree with that.
She figuratively sits in a hotel room where the real-life person she is based on may have been murdered as a prostitute, watching television, which may have been invented after her death but which may have come along by the time '47' was being made, as a kind of ghost of love... possibly even frozen at the very place where the making of '47' broke down.
Don`t know what the author means with ghost of love, maybe it has something to do with movies DL did before IE, but I don`t know it consciously. Ok, maybe the real-life person Lost Girl is based on have been murdered in that hotel room. But why as a prostitute? Why not as the actor of 4 7? We have to explain the TV and her being frozen. Maybe she was murdered as the actor of 4 7 and maybe this murder had something to do with the making of 4 7. Perhaps there were people who didn`t want that the story is seen on TV. So Lost Girl could see the cause of death of the person she is based on while being locked in 205. Of course, she didn`t want to die. What she did was just her work as an actor. She wanted to live with her family. But some people maybe thought that she was too much involved. And who involved her? Something inside the story I guess. Someone who hypnotized her, which led to abuse, seeing herself as a prostitute and death. Who killed her? Probably the wife who couldn`t give children to Piotrek.
The hotel is somewhere in the Baltic region, but this is not necessarily only a geographical location: it also stands in for a place that has undergone many changes and facelifts (political, industrial, national, ideological, religious), resulting in it both having a strong history and a murky, undefined quality. Ruins of former versions of itself lay everywhere (Prussia, Solidarity, Communism, atheism, Catholicism, factories, Roma, fascism, agrarian/bucolic pastorialism), like the grooves in records - find the right groove and you can hear the walls speak.
Yes!
The client who may have killed the woman that LG's character is based on is similarly trapped by the terrible deed he has done.
Assume that "Lost Girl"was killed by the wife of Piotrek. But where did "Lost Girl"and Piotrek got to know each other? Maybe in the making of 4 7. Maybe Piotrek was the male lead. So who was the hypnotizer in 4 7? Maybe the director of that movie. Could be Mr. Zydowicz. But maybe Mr. Zydowicz was "just"a vehicle. Maybe he was posessed by a Bob-like spirit for a time. So that would be the final cause. And a Bob-like-spirit probably can`t be trapped ("He wasn`t there anymore in the police station.").
Whatever his reasoning, he is able to request and is granted access to re-entry from Janek.
The reasoning of the phantom to get access is probably his nature. He has to hypnotize and collect vulnerable souls. And it is the job of the two-faced god Janek to do something for the "good"side and something for the "evil"side.
He may have been murdered for his deed of killing LG's real-life character by her once-girlfriend-lover and possible neighbor.
Believe that the phantom/Crimp can`t be killed. These are Bob-like spirits.
I think that Nikki Grace is a real-life character as was "Lost Girl"a few decades before. Perhaps Nikki Grace is halfborn (maybe the other half is "Lost Girl"), because she has a husband who can`t father children, nor does she found a "full"father in the making of OHIBT ("It is happening again."). She`s pregnant from Devon, but Billy says "Go away Sue".
She is NOT Lost Boy.
That`s true. But what can this mean? It can mean that she is Lost Girl! She walked behind the marketplace, she followed the alley, she followed the way to the pallace. She entered death and the keeper (Mr. K?, 2K?, Janek?, K?, Freddy?, Bucky J?) asked her for the password. She says a word similar to Karolina and gets access (although we wouldn`t expect). Marylin mirrors Devon and evil was born. The phantom entered the soul of Devon.
I don`t agree with that the rabbits are "prisoned". They are very mighty beings being able to use magic. They help when people in certain worlds use the means by which they can make contact to them. They monitor Janek, accommodate secrets and identify things that will lead to solutions. We aren`t allowed to forget the audience. What does the audience mean? Why does the audience give applause or laugh at certain points?
When enough of these pieces come together, a cursed character might be able to break out of the repetitive, life-death-rebirth curse cycle.
Didn`t dare to think that IE is about leaving the life-death-rebirth curse cycle so far. But maybe the author is right. Maybe the rabbits help Lost Girl to escape from that cycle by giving halfborn Nikki the role in OHIBT. They give "Lost Girl"a second chance, because they have mercy.
Ultimately, 'bad' comes from trying to possess or maintain the status of a given relationship or set of circumstances across time, space and through the senses. 'Good' comes from recognizing that all things, in their original and final forms, are unified, and that splintering off and then trying to maintain these splinters is 'evil', because it both corrupts the essence of the whole, is ultimately impossible due to the transitory nature of all 'fallen' circumstances, and is reductive to the universe in its perfect holism.
Well, "Lost Girl"certainly wants to maintain the status of a given relationship at the end. And this is an advantage for Smithie`s son. We hear the singing like "And now I have to live my life"(=not being catched in the making of 4 7 anymore?). They close the doors. They separate from the rest of the world.
Think that there is no lesbian relationship somewhere in IE. Nevertheless, there is a deep contact on a deep level of consciousness (probably within the unified field) between Lost Girl and Nikki where Nikki gets the information which will lead to a fullborn Nikki.
So who is Smithy?
Either Piotrek or Lost Girl.
How about the 9 whores?
They represent thoughts of Nikki. But aren`t there 8?
Bucky J?
The one who says to us that it isn`t so easy to put the right light on the thing. On the other side he appears like a phantom (as Smithy does).
(red = quotes from nosnojsirhc)