RANDOM THOUGHTS IV -- Mr. K on the Phone

Discussion of INLAND EMPIRE

Moderators: Annie, BookhouseBoyBob, Ross, Jerry Horne, Brad D

TheMysteryMan
Posts: 31
Joined: Wed Feb 27, 2008 10:48 am

RANDOM THOUGHTS IV -- Mr. K on the Phone

Postby TheMysteryMan » Thu Feb 28, 2008 10:41 am

What does Mr. K say on the phone? We hear the thing about Crimp being around there somewhere and the horse to the well. Opinions vary on the last line and the DVD sort of does us a disservice in not offering subtitles in Englishbut it does have them in French. I've never had a French lesson in my life, but thanks to online translation sites, I can manage an approximation. According to the subtitled line in French, what Mr. K says is something along the lines of "I will go to the city."But not all subtitles are literal translations of the original language, as anyone who's listened to the English language track of Das Boot while running the English subtitles will know.

Ryan
http://myspace.com/chaosdomination
MichaelPW
Posts: 215
Joined: Thu Jan 17, 2008 9:48 am
Location: Germany

Postby MichaelPW » Thu Feb 28, 2008 8:26 pm

TheMysteryMan wrote:According to the subtitled line in French, what Mr. K says is something along the lines of "I will go to the city."


Yes, I don`t know if I know it more from listening or more from subtitles, but he says "I will go to the city". It`s like having a call with a familiar one, isn`t it? Like "I will buy some things, before I come home".
applesnoranges
Posts: 263
Joined: Sat Jan 05, 2008 2:03 am
Location: California

Postby applesnoranges » Fri Feb 29, 2008 7:15 pm

This was taken up very recently on imdb. The post something like, "does anyone here speak French?", was answered by a bilingual person. The person answering showed that the French subtitle is wrong and how the mistake could have been made if a French speaker heard the Polish and thought it was English, then translated it.

Mr. K. says the same thing that the man at the scéance said that was subtitled in English "Red". I believe the word is "Czerwone". The point is that Mr. K. knows what went on at the séance.
MichaelPW
Posts: 215
Joined: Thu Jan 17, 2008 9:48 am
Location: Germany

Postby MichaelPW » Sun Mar 02, 2008 12:53 pm

Ok, so maybe wrong translations led also to wrong German subtitles and German speaking. But when he says "horses to the well", why wouldn`t he say "red"?! Why would there be this switching of languages? There could be a connection between "she is still here" and "i will go to the city": = "as long she is here, I will not go to the city".
TheMysteryMan
Posts: 31
Joined: Wed Feb 27, 2008 10:48 am

re

Postby TheMysteryMan » Mon Mar 03, 2008 10:40 am

I suppose Lynch can't oversee every facet of the DVD if it's a foreign language, so maybe it was just a miss in the translation. It seems to be like he does pay attention to the subtitling somewhat since there isn't a subtitle when the monkey says "Judy" in FWWM. As if that was something he hoped you might miss if you couldn't read it. Not that it explains much even if you do hear it, but that would be a thread for another board.

What is meant by the "horse has gone to the well" line in the first place? That Sue showed up to talk to Mr. K in the first place? I haven't arrived at a satisfying conclusion to that yet.
applesnoranges
Posts: 263
Joined: Sat Jan 05, 2008 2:03 am
Location: California

Postby applesnoranges » Mon Mar 03, 2008 9:03 pm

MichaelPW: At the séance, the line about the horse taken to the well is in Polish with either English or French subtitles on my disk. When Mr. K. repeats the line in his phone call, he says in English, "the horse to the well", not a complete sentence, as if it were something he and the other person both knew about.

TheMysteryMan: I think it is just a mysterious line that can be interpreted various ways. There was some back and forth on this on the inlandempirecinema.com board. Most people thought it was Lynch's variation on the proverb, "You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink." (You can do a certain amount for people but eventually they have to act on their own behalf.) I (as bumpy) thought at the time that horse meant gun and well meant drawer symbolically. I'm not so sure about that now. I do think the point was to get the gun into the drawer but that horse to the well could be Dern showing up at Mr. K.'s. She was shown the way there by the woman in red. Maybe other things?
TheMysteryMan
Posts: 31
Joined: Wed Feb 27, 2008 10:48 am

re

Postby TheMysteryMan » Thu Mar 06, 2008 8:41 am

MichaelPW: At the séance, the line about the horse taken to the well is in Polish with either English or French subtitles on my disk. When Mr. K. repeats the line in his phone call, he says in English, "the horse to the well", not a complete sentence, as if it were something he and the other person both knew about.

TheMysteryMan: I think it is just a mysterious line that can be interpreted various ways. There was some back and forth on this on the inlandempirecinema.com board. Most people thought it was Lynch's variation on the proverb, "You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink." (You can do a certain amount for people but eventually they have to act on their own behalf.) I (as bumpy) thought at the time that horse meant gun and well meant drawer symbolically. I'm not so sure about that now. I do think the point was to get the gun into the drawer but that horse to the well could be Dern showing up at Mr. K.'s. She was shown the way there by the woman in red. Maybe other things?


Ah, okay, I wondered who you were on the old board. I'd just copy and paste a lot of those entries at the library and take home on disk to read carefully (which is in fact what I'm doing right now, if you're wondering why you see fast responses from me on some things but others don't get an immediate reply). A lot of the ones I did were posted by you.
I haven't come up with anything interesting to explain that lineI'm of a similar mind that it seems to refer to Dern showing up at Mr. K's, although for some reason when I first heard it in the theater, I thought it was some kind of code phrase for murdering someone.
applesnoranges
Posts: 263
Joined: Sat Jan 05, 2008 2:03 am
Location: California

Postby applesnoranges » Sat Mar 08, 2008 2:00 am

I'm bumpy there. I just posted again even though it is a ghost town.
MichaelPW
Posts: 215
Joined: Thu Jan 17, 2008 9:48 am
Location: Germany

Postby MichaelPW » Sat Mar 08, 2008 9:19 am

It seems that they don`t give new members the opportunity to write there. And there was a wave of new European members at the beginning of 2008.
TheMysteryMan
Posts: 31
Joined: Wed Feb 27, 2008 10:48 am

re

Postby TheMysteryMan » Sat Mar 08, 2008 10:23 am

Yes, I tried to sign up at the IE board and never received a link to be approved.
MichaelPW
Posts: 215
Joined: Thu Jan 17, 2008 9:48 am
Location: Germany

Postby MichaelPW » Sat Mar 08, 2008 11:02 am

Same with me.
applesnoranges
Posts: 263
Joined: Sat Jan 05, 2008 2:03 am
Location: California

Postby applesnoranges » Sat Mar 08, 2008 2:04 pm

There were always some strange things going on there. I was never "approved" either, but my posts were accepted anyway. There was something very odd about how polite everyone was to each other. Nothing to complain about, but most boards are not like that, so I had a feeling that most people there already knew each other so perhaps a number of them worked on the film. Maybe I'm just being ... suspicious?

Then they all disappeared in one big Woosh! One day they were all gone!

Then, one time for about a week, when I tried to log on, I got a page that seemed to go back to my own computer, the generic page that the Mac shows from its own Apache server. Then the site went back up. So someone just goofed things up there. David Lynch also uses Macs and so probably do the people who do his web work for him.

I don't know if it is a group of people protecting their own secrets or not, but if they are, it's their business. I liked talking to them though. A few of them seemed to be outsiders like myself but the others ... I don't know.
MichaelPW
Posts: 215
Joined: Thu Jan 17, 2008 9:48 am
Location: Germany

Postby MichaelPW » Sun Mar 09, 2008 6:35 pm

applesnoranges wrote:I was never "approved" either, but my posts were accepted anyway.


So maybe there are people who wait for their link to be approved and until they don`t get it they won`t try to post. I never tried, as well. Wrote emails to one or two moderators (or moderator-like persons) there, but there was failure and non-reply.

Then they all disappeared in one big Woosh! One day they were all gone!


How strange!
applesnoranges
Posts: 263
Joined: Sat Jan 05, 2008 2:03 am
Location: California

Postby applesnoranges » Mon Mar 10, 2008 12:26 am

It seems that all or most of the computer work is handled for David Lynch by someone named Eric Bassett ( http://workbookproject.com/?p=66 ) who I think also runs davidlynch.com. That site is much more difficult to join than inlandempirecinema.com. When I first tried to sign up I got a message saying that my email address was already on file as a member, so i couldn't join (even though I could not log on). So why did they have my email address?

Well I wrote to "support" several times and got no answer. So I looked up Basset on the web and found a number of addresses for him, but none of them worked. And there were several phone numbers but they were all "no longer in service". One of them had an answering machine so I left a message but never got a return call.

I don't understand any of this but maybe it shows a little more of what happens in the world of David Lynch.
:)

Eventually "someone" answered the support request and straightened it out so I could join but it took about a month.
TheMysteryMan
Posts: 31
Joined: Wed Feb 27, 2008 10:48 am

re

Postby TheMysteryMan » Mon Mar 10, 2008 9:04 am

Ha, that is bizarre...I tried to post anyway when I first signed up just to see what would happen and it said I was not recognized as a member.

It will be interesting to see if I am recognized when I try to join davidlynch.com. I've meant to for a long time and fully intended to this year at some point.

Yes, everyone was awfully cordial on the board, although I figured that was just because it was people who liked the movie versus it being a movie board where someone brought up IE and a hundred people jumped in to say, "Oh, that movie sucks, dude!" I've laid off message boards for a couple years just because I'd get bored of people saying they liked a certain genre but they knocked everything I thought lived up to it. With Lynch, everyone seems to be of a similar mind...very different ideas, but at least it all stems from a general respect of the work. You get the sense that we're affected by his films in the same way.

Return to “INLAND EMPIRE”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 3 guests