Episode 2

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Re: RE: Episode 2

Postby molokidan » Wed Feb 01, 2017 7:24 am

anewberry wrote:I've always wondered who was hiding behind Leo during the drug money transaction between he and Mike/Bobby. You know, the guy hiding behind the tree..Anyways, who do you guys think it is?


It has to be Bernard Renault. Otherwise, it's just a plot hole.
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Re: Episode 2

Postby Rainwater » Wed Feb 01, 2017 9:13 am

Not all that's left unexplained is a plot hole. That's not what it means.
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Re: RE: Episode 2

Postby anewberry » Tue Feb 07, 2017 10:21 pm

molokidan wrote:
anewberry wrote:I've always wondered who was hiding behind Leo during the drug money transaction between he and Mike/Bobby. You know, the guy hiding behind the tree..Anyways, who do you guys think it is?


It has to be Bernard Renault. Otherwise, it's just a plot hole.


Right, Bernard would've made sense yet in episode 7 (season 1 finale), the man who attacks Dr. Jacoby (whom we know is Leland Palmer since, I think, it was Mark Frost who once insinuated it) is dressed the same as the one lurking behind Leo... And, at the end of episode 6, the viewer adopt's Dr. Jacoby's attacker's POV which, coincidentally takes place hiding behind a tree exactly like in the Leo scene. So, is it possible Leland Palmer was hiding behind Leo during the transaction or, like you said Molokidan, it's a plot hole?
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Re: Episode 2

Postby Snailhead » Wed Feb 08, 2017 7:19 pm

Ok I sometimes get mixed up with the chronology events, but is the man in episode 2 possibly Jacoby ??
I recall that early in Season 2, Jacoby tells Cooper that he followed a man in a red corvette based on the tape Laura sent - could he be referring to this scene in episode 2 ?
It was kind of ambiguous as to whether or not Leo knew there was someone behind him. From Leo's attitude, it seemed like he thought Bobby & Mike were trying to distract him so they could get away.
I'm probably over-thinking!
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Re: Episode 2

Postby Gabriel » Fri Feb 24, 2017 2:32 pm

At the time of watching, I assumed the figure behind Leo was the same 'man' who beat up Jacoby and shot Cooper. Or maybe it was the Stig! ;)

Sometimes I'm happy not to know.
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Re: Episode 2

Postby Gabriel » Fri Feb 24, 2017 2:54 pm

BOB1 wrote:I'll say more: in the Euro ending it was CRAP. It was stupid. The one single worst thing Lynch has ever put his hand on. I don't know why I feel so strongly about it, nevermind - the point is that surprisingly the same material is integrated really well into the episode. What was literal and pointless here turned into "a glimpse into an unknowable world" that really drops your jaw (and it does matter a lot that there is a scene before where Cooper so amazingly shows how much the world of dreams reveals to him!).


Yep. If they'd never made the TV show and just released the movie version, I'd have put my foot through the TV in frustration at the end. Not only is the European ending awful, but it needed many earlier parts of the episode to be re-edited. In a complete film version, the sequence with Donna and James in the woods is pointless, for example, as is the public meeting and Cooper's (typical TV pilot) line about likely being 'here for some time.' I dislike the European-funded ending of Mulholland Dr slightly more than the Twin Peaks one because at least the material from the Euro-Twin Peaks was effectively cannibalised, where the Mulholland Dr ending feels like TP season two's oft-criticised weirdness-for-weirdness'-sake moments.

Actually, writing this makes me realise that the last 'proper' movie Lynch made 100 per cent for release as a movie was The Straight Story. Mulholland Dr was a sort of 'fix-up' movie in the same way a writer might cannibalise a bunch of earlier stories and rework them into a novel. Raymond Chandler adapted John Dalmas stories into Marlowe tales, for example, and William Peter Blatty turned the short comic novel Twinkle Twinkle Killer Kane into the more complex novel and film The Ninth Configuration. Inland Empire, it seems to me, was a sort of artistic 'doodle pad' with lots of ideas thrown together with a bunch previously released content and wrapped in a framing narrative. Where did 18 years go?!
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Re: Episode 2

Postby Ubermensch33 » Tue Apr 11, 2017 1:14 pm

I just watched this episode again last night. Until now I had never really gotten too much into the show other than the fact that I had watched the series twice. I never researched theories, etc...but what I noticed last night was, there is so...much...red in this episode. I think all these are from episode 2; either 2, or 3, I watched both last night. And these are only the ones that jumped out at me after a search.

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Re: Episode 2

Postby David Locke » Tue Apr 11, 2017 3:28 pm

It looks like those stills are from a combination of Episodes 1, 2, and 3 (2 being the dream episode, and 3 the funeral one).

Nevertheless, I definitely agree the use of red (and just warm, super-saturated oranges/browns and similar colors in general) is VERY pronounced, throughout the full two seasons but especially it seems in Season 1. Anybody notice this? Season 2 seems to be a little less saturated, not quite so red-crazy. But the look of Episode 2, a scene like Audrey dancing in the RR, is just so beautifully warm because of the color correction/wardrobe/set design.
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Re: Episode 2

Postby Ubermensch33 » Tue Apr 11, 2017 6:49 pm

David Locke wrote:It looks like those stills are from a combination of Episodes 1, 2, and 3 (2 being the dream episode, and 3 the funeral one).

Nevertheless, I definitely agree the use of red (and just warm, super-saturated oranges/browns and similar colors in general) is VERY pronounced, throughout the full two seasons but especially it seems in Season 1. Anybody notice this? Season 2 seems to be a little less saturated, not quite so red-crazy. But the look of Episode 2, a scene like Audrey dancing in the RR, is just so beautifully warm because of the color correction/wardrobe/set design.


Yeah I knew the funeral for sure was later than episode 2 (sorry, I get the numbering off sometimes because some start at episode 00). The casket was actually much more red than the picture makes it seem.

I think part of it is completely intentional and part of it is just the "wood/lodge" vibe that is pervasive. There are many other examples that I didn't find pictures of (not necessarily in episode 2): the RR sign, the booths in the RR, the design on the bathroom (by the way, you ever seen a bathroom with this many stalls? LOL):

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Anyway, I'm going back through the series again, trying to watch 1 per night getting ready for the new season. :D It's amazing how calming, yet anxious, the show can make me feel, even the 3rd time around.
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Re: Episode 2

Postby OrsonWelles » Tue Apr 18, 2017 2:02 am

The first time I watched TP this was the one that really dragged me in the TP universe. It has a lot of great moments. The reunion of Ben and Jerry and the weird underbelly that is One Eyed Jack's, Audrey's dance, Leo's mayhem, the Tibetan deduction method and of course our first time in the Black Lodge, indeed seemingly more upbeat and less threatening than one would assume. It is however really iconic, especially due to the enigmatic LMFAP.
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Re: Episode 2

Postby asmahan » Wed Apr 26, 2017 12:30 pm

Is there any chance that MIKE's "I too have been touched by the devilish one" was supposed to foreshadow Cooper's fate?
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Re: Episode 2

Postby Jonah » Fri Jun 16, 2017 7:23 pm

Finished a rewatch of Episode 2. Best episode of the first season, after the Pilot. While I may not be completely in love with the new series, all my favourite episodes of the original show are the Lynch directed ones. This is great from beginning to end.

Nothing really to add to comments already written here, except:

Highlights of course are the Tibet/rock scene.

The dream sequence and our first glimpse of the red room.

One thing I wondered about: We see the shot of Cooper walking into the sheriff's station - when was this shot? I thought all on-location filming was done for the pilot episode, with only exteriors being used for subsequent shots and all the rest filmed in LA. So was this scene shot for the pilot?

Another thing I noticed - and I'm not sure if this has been commented on:

The chair Cooper is sitting in in the red room has a leaf pattern. It is very like the one we see him in at the beginning of the new series, if not identical. This can't be a coincidence. And I wonder what this means. Also, I think this is the only time we saw this chair in the original series - in all subsequent red room scenes, Cooper is sitting in a plain chair, isn't he? Interesting.

Episode 2 is definitely the best episode of the first season in my opinion.
Actually, now that some time has passed, I like "The full blossom of the evening".

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