Episode 6

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Re: Episode 6

Postby Agent Sam Stanley » Fri Apr 08, 2016 12:20 am

I've never read the original draft of this episode's script, with the opening scene of Cooper and Audrey having the ambiguous breakfast, but maybe the rewrite was the best way to go.
I just think the rewrite threw away any chance of something happening between the two characters, romantically speaking. How could Cooper sleep with her after that moral speech? It would feel like he was using the speech only to gain her confidence instead of being truthful and trying to soften what could be a really humiliating situation for her.
I like the rewrite, I love the way they handled the situation, but those two as a couple were a "not happening" thing for me after that (and I'm actually surprised so many people were expecting something to happen past that point).

I agree with Audrey Horne, this must be one of my favorite episodes from S1 and probably the one I've seen the most (not counting the pilot). Maybe my 3rd favorite, as the pilot is my #1 and ep 2 my #2.
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Re: Episode 6

Postby Audrey Horne » Fri Apr 08, 2016 7:44 am

really? prior to that, i just thought their stuff was fun, and slick, witty moments for another soap suspect. After this scene, it did the same as the Bobby in Jacoby office, or Audrey crying at Leland- it subverted our (my) expectations and made the characters richer. It put this relationship in the sphere of the one he had with Truman. I took the whole point of her sigh after he leaves to meaning she loves him all the more, and for the right reasons.

Why were you surprised though? it only continued from there as the two most active protagonists (Truman and Donna also), and from factual evidence we know from the writers and one of the creators that the laid groundwork was then yanked at the eleventh hour in the second season- so the stuff was still filmed in the manner they wanted. Wouldn't that be like if Norma was the killer and then we found out years later it was supposed to be Leland but at the last moment before episode 14 was filmed Wise balked? Meaning the groundwork episodes still exist.
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Re: Episode 6

Postby Agent Sam Stanley » Fri Apr 08, 2016 10:03 am

and from factual evidence we know from the writers and one of the creators that the laid groundwork was then yanked at the eleventh hour in the second season- so the stuff was still filmed in the manner they wanted.


I didn't know that, and I must say I'm quite surprised. I always saw Cooper's moral speech as a way of placing their relationship in the "strictly friends" area. If that wasn't the intention, it does look odd. I can see Audrey still in love with him after that, maybe even more like you said, but not Cooper ignoring his values and her age and bedding her a few episodes later. That would kill the character for me. Even if it was LFB who really had a problem with the romance and pulled the strings to end it, I can see how Kyle would agree that the character wouldn't look good.

But I think Audrey and Cooper could've remained friends. Cooper as some sort of tutor and father figure to her. The way the writers completely split them apart after the eleventh hour was forced and unnatural.
In my mind the romance was already out of the question but there was more backstage pressure to separate the characters completely and that's what eventually happened. Never thought they were still considering a romance by that point :?
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Re: Episode 6

Postby Audrey Horne » Fri Apr 08, 2016 11:35 am

No, the romance thing wasn't even a major thing until the second season when they knew they had two popular characters. The first season they didn't even know if anyone would watch the show.
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Re: Episode 6

Postby Agent Sam Stanley » Fri Apr 08, 2016 12:13 pm

Interesting how a creative process works, sometimes completely different from how we see things as a viewer.
I think the moral speech estabilished something pretty solid for the character. To step over that and create a romance, especially right after solving Laura's murder, would look kind of desperate. "Oh God, now what? Now we make the two most popular characters start bedding. Problem solved! S1 was ages ago, no one remembers that speech". Kind of a cheap exit, but that's most of what we got post ep 16 anyway, so...
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Re: Episode 6

Postby Jonah » Sun Jun 18, 2017 1:18 pm

A few thoughts having rewatched this:

As with the preceding Episode 5, this one begins with another shot of another moon - this time a half moon, not as fake-looking. Are these moon shots significant? I'm guessing probably not and are just for atmosphere, but curious all the same.

I like the opening scene with Cooper and Audrey in his bedroom. It's sweet and touching. I wonder how this would have played had it been the scripted breakfast scene instead, leaving it ambiguous as to whether or not they had slept together.

I love Audrey smoking while hiding in the closet.

Is the glass unicorn meant to be a nod to the 1974 movie "Black Christmas"?

The dates in the notebook seem to be updated to 1990 (when this aired), but this is set in 1989, isn't it?

The "give yourself a present" with Cooper and Harry scene is great.

I really like Ed telling Nadine not to give up.

The scene with Catherine and the guy who delivers the contract is great.

All the stuff in the casino is great, as is the preceding scene with Cooper, Harry, and Big Ed.

It's very creepy when we see Leland watching Maddy sneak out. Are we seeing Bob here?

The Andy/Lucy stuff is pretty fun at this point.

The Donna, James, and Maddy stuff continues to be great, and it's brilliant seeing Maddy in that wig. Great ending to this episode too!

Not much more to add except this is a fun, story-packed episode that's setting up the finale to this season.
Actually, now that some time has passed, I like "The full blossom of the evening".
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Re: Episode 6

Postby Audrey Horne » Fri Jun 23, 2017 8:59 pm

The insurance salesman is Mr. Neft.... A nod to Double Indemnity. Like Gordon Cole is a name from Sunset Boulevard. Just a terrific scene. "One never knows." I wish he had returned in the second season.

I love this episode so, so much.

I think the dates in the notebook being 1990 means it is today when it occurs. Just like 1989 in the pilot, same principle. All that matters is when it is airing, it is in the present (just the town is quant like yesteryear.). And all the matters with The Return is its twenty five years later. The year means nothing.
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