Episode 25

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Re: Episode 25

Postby Mr. Reindeer » Fri May 19, 2017 6:26 pm

So, I feel like a complete moron. I've watched the full series 7 times, and the DKL-directed episodes probably twice that amount. I just realized the connection between Gordon's reference to the "babe without the arms" and the statue in the Episode 29 Black Lodge hallway. I assume this is common knowledge in the fan community and I'm late to the party.

Also intriguing implications with MIKE and tattoos. The mind reels.
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Re: Episode 25

Postby HagbardCeline » Wed Jun 07, 2017 8:59 pm

In the scene where Audrey runs into Wyndom Earle in the library, is it just my copy or is there a shot that looks like a bad VHS recording even on the restored Blu Ray? It's right where he says something about his mind wandering. Then it cuts to a close up of his face and looks fine again.
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Re: Episode 25

Postby Jonah » Sun Jul 23, 2017 1:41 pm

Lynch steps back into Twin Peaks as Cole and brings a sense of rejuvenation into some of the scenes.

Maybe it's just because I'm tired from rewatching so many episodes last night, but I didn't find this one to be as brilliant as I had remembered it on this latest rewatch. Now don't get me wrong. It's still a very good episode. It's just, I spent more time analysing and paying attention to all the scenes in Episodes 23 & 24 (and the ones before), sort of trying to find the best bits in what are generally considered weaker episodes, only to be surprised by how much good stuff was to be found in those episodes, that I went into this one remembering it as being one of the best - and was surprised to find that, apart from the diner scene, it wasn't as brilliant as I remembered it.

I think it's still as good as the previous episodes, but apart from the diner scene I don't think it's necessarily better per se. There's still an awful lot of Audrey and John Justice Wheeler here and a lot of the Donna/Ben subplot.

To begin with, the opening scene is mostly good. The sound effects here are very strong. The scene itself is unusual, it's suspenseful but also a little soapy and OTT. And I don't think it ever makes a huge amount of sense plotwise.

But at least it serves as a catalyst to get Harry back into uniform and back to the Sheriff's Station for an amusing hangover cure talk with Coop.

And Harry's not the only one getting back into uniform! This is the episode where Coop finally sheds the flannel and is back in his suit.

Loving the bonsai plant - but surprised none of them guess it might be dodgy, especially when it's meant to be sent from Josie.

(And even if they didn't twig to the bonsai plant, considering Earle has actually been in the station to their knowledge before, shouldn't they be suspicious of bugs anyway?)

I have often wondered if Cole knows - or senses - the plant might be bugged and if his "BONSAI!!" shout was done on purpose.

Skipping ahead to the diner scene, I think this is the scene that elevates the episode. It's just a wonderful scene. And it really feels like Lynch is behind it - or behind some of it.

There's real chemistry here between Coop and Annie.

The penguin joke moment is great.

There's great chemistry here between Harry and Coop too. I love seeing how happy both of them look.

And I love the Cole/Shelly moment - and the Log Lady cameo.

It's all pure gold. And arguably maybe the first time Peaks showed it's humourous and light-hearted side without being slapstick, goofy or just plain bad (I'm looking at you, Episode 19).

For the first time, I noticed something small - Lynch seems to laugh or almost mess up his line when he's talking to Shelly about the poem? Anyone else catch this?

All in all, a great sequence here in the Double R - and one of the best moments ever.

But, that scene aside, is this episode really better than 23, 24 or 26 and 27? I don't know.

Donna following her mother to the Great Northern is okay but it really should be more intriguing, and while the Ben/Eileen interaction does hint at an interesting backstory it's just a bit too soapy for me. I do think this plot might have had legs, though, had the show been renewed for another season. And I do like Audrey showing Donna her secret spy corridor.

I also sort of like Doc Hayward in his scene with Donna. There's a harder edge to him here that we haven't seen too often before (maybe with Harriet in the Pilot), but he's even harder here, revealing some flaws to his seemingly more perfect character.

I do really like the little scene with Annie and Shelly talking about Miss Twin Peaks and Cooper.

The Windom/Leo stuff in the cabin is only okay this time around.

And while I do sort of like the Audrey/Windom scene, I feel it could have been stronger or more menacing, like his scene with Donna. I noticed here that in one of the shots on the blu-ray the quality is quite low (the mid-close-up of Audrey/Windom side-by-side) but when it cuts back to close-ups of Audrey and Windom, it's remastered again. Maybe they didn't have a way to master this one shot - or only a low-quality shot to work with - or did they just miss out on mastering this?

Andy spelunking in front of Lucy seems a perfect Andy/Lucy moment. But it veers a little too close to slapstick or Episode 19 for me.

The Audrey/'Good Ben' scenes didn't interest me that much. But I did find the shot of Johnny Horne outside shooting fake water buffalo interesting. Was this a new scene filmed for this episode - or did it reuse footage from the deleted scene of him and Jacoby from Season 1 that was never used? (We do hear him in the background throughout this scene too.)

The Owl Cave stuff is fun enough I suppose - but it's also not that great and I think it's a shame Owl Cave never figured into the plot more.

I think the debate will continue about whether it's this episode, 24, or 23 that gets the show back on form. I like the Josie/Bob/LMFAP stuff in 23, so I can see an argument for that. And of course 24 is the first official episode of this last six-episode stretch, back after the series was put on hiatus. And the case for this one would be that Lynch is back - and the great scene in the diner. Either way, the show starts to come back somewhere in one of these episodes.

Oh, and I do like the scene with Annie and Coop at the bar in the Great Northern. It's a lovely scene. I've read the "Annie might be from another time and place/lodge spirt" theories and I can see that. But it could just also be the writers trying to characterise her as someone who went to a convent as troubled scene. Though she does seem to have been out of the world for a lot longer. So maybe there's something to those theories.

The closing scene with Earle in Owl Cave is not particularly strong.

All in all, a very good episode - but not as amazing as I'd remembered. The highlight is that long scene in the diner and the fact that Lynch is back.
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Re: Episode 25

Postby Mr. Reindeer » Wed Jul 26, 2017 6:04 am

Jonah wrote:Maybe it's just because I'm tired from rewatching so many episodes last night, but I didn't find this one to be as brilliant as I had remembered it on this latest rewatch. Now don't get me wrong. It's still a very good episode. It's just, I spent more time analysing and paying attention to all the scenes in Episodes 23 & 24 (and the ones before), sort of trying to find the best bits in what are generally considered weaker episodes, only to be surprised by how much good stuff was to be found in those episodes, that I went into this one remembering it as being one of the best - and was surprised to find that, apart from the diner scene, it wasn't as brilliant as I remembered it.

I think it's still as good as the previous episodes, but apart from the diner scene I don't think it's necessarily better per se. There's still an awful lot of Audrey and John Justice Wheeler here and a lot of the Donna/Ben subplot.

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I think the debate will continue about whether it's this episode, 24, or 23 that gets the show back on form. I like the Josie/Bob/LMFAP stuff in 23, so I can see an argument for that. And of course 24 is the first official episode of this last six-episode stretch, back after the series was put on hiatus. And the case for this one would be that Lynch is back - and the great scene in the diner. Either way, the show starts to come back somewhere in one of these episodes.


I'll never quite understamd the consensus that the show had some sort of resurgence in quality in the mid-20s episodes. I think there's something to like in every episode/era of the show, but this stretch still feels a long ways from what TP should be, despite some enjoyable stuff. I actually like Episode 23 for its goofy soapy charms (and O'Herlihy and Warner's fun hamminess), 24 doesn't do much for me (although many seem to think it's a strong episode, I don't see it), 25 has that one terrific sequence as you noted but is otherwise par for the course, 26 is unmemorable, 27 has a few great flourishes courtesy of Gyllenhaal that somewhat compensate for a mediocre script, 28 is super weak sauce (half of it is a freaking musical -- how does this show even exist in the same universe as the Pilot?), and 29 is of course its own insane brilliant thing.
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Re: Episode 25

Postby Jonah » Sat Jul 29, 2017 10:18 am

Mr. Reindeer wrote:I'll never quite understamd the consensus that the show had some sort of resurgence in quality in the mid-20s episodes. I think there's something to like in every episode/era of the show, but this stretch still feels a long ways from what TP should be, despite some enjoyable stuff. I actually like Episode 23 for its goofy soapy charms (and O'Herlihy and Warner's fun hamminess), 24 doesn't do much for me (although many seem to think it's a strong episode, I don't see it), 25 has that one terrific sequence as you noted but is otherwise par for the course, 26 is unmemorable, 27 has a few great flourishes courtesy of Gyllenhaal that somewhat compensate for a mediocre script, 28 is super weak sauce (half of it is a freaking musical -- how does this show even exist in the same universe as the Pilot?), and 29 is of course its own insane brilliant thing.

Yeah, on this most recent rewatch I'd have to agree. The final few episodes before 29 is not really a resurgence or "back to form" at all. I think it's more an "improvement" over 17-22 (I actually found a few more moments in 17 - 22 to like than I'd remembered this time around, but it's still a pretty weak stretch), but the last stretch (29 aside) is definitely not a return to form, if form means Episode 14 or Pilot. Then again, I think the show always had lows and, um, peaks. :) Leaving 29 out of the mix, I think 23 and 27 have the best moments of the final stretch. I agree with your assessments of the other episodes - a few nice moments in 25, 24, 26, and 28 but fewer and further in between and not as strong.
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Re: Episode 25

Postby Snailhead » Wed Aug 09, 2017 11:59 am

Brilliant finale aside, I wholeheartedly agree that the last stretch of S2 does not represent a return to form.
I do really enjoy the scenes with Cole in the diner, as well as the (mostly) excellent Episode 27, but otherwise nope.
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