Maybe he's The Tin Man to Andy's Cowardly Lion?boske wrote:I think you're all (or is it y'all) missing the very point. Phillip Jeffries is now part of the Tin Machine.
Now we just need to work out who the Wizard is?
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Maybe he's The Tin Man to Andy's Cowardly Lion?boske wrote:I think you're all (or is it y'all) missing the very point. Phillip Jeffries is now part of the Tin Machine.
Couldn't agree more. The Green Glove scene in the Roadhouse. I mean I don't know what I'm watching anymore. Lynch has really lost it.waferwhitemilk wrote:Every episode feels like a sketch show, like the muppet show with special guests or something, in this case special guests who have cancelled at the last minute (zz top).
I'm very happy that Ed and Norma are back together but the storyline was really dumb. There was no build-up to this "resolution", we barely saw anything of these two characters before and the Walter/franchise obstacle was only introduced one scene before this and not really an obstacle at all. The Ed/Norma resolution would have worked, if there had been some drama before. They could have introduced this storyline early on in the season, they could have shown us how Ed and Norma struggle because they can't be together, how Nadine is still an obstacle, how Norma distracts herself with Walter/the franchises even though it doesn't make her happy because she thinks there is no chance for her and Ed, how she might struggle with feelings for both Ed and Walter or has to choose between love and career, how this threatens a potential happy ending for Ed and Norma and so on. The Norma/Ed scene made me feel like I had just caught the last scene of a romance movie and missed the whole preceding movie Would anyone who hasn't seen the original series even care about their relationship or understand that scene?Mr. Reindeer wrote:The Walter/"franchise" "storyline" was some of the laziest writing of The Return. Introduce an obstacle for one scene, just so Ed/Norma can easily overcome it. Other than that, I thought the performances, the delayed gratification in the pacing, and the use of Redding made the scene satisfying. Admittedly, I have a soft spot for these two, and their reunion was one of the only specific things I truly wanted from TP:TR.mlsstwrt wrote:Just saw the Norma/Ed scene. Can totally understand why somebody would be underwhelmed by such a trite resolution of the saga. I certainly was.
A Twin Peaks fan got hit in the face with a bar.sylvia_north wrote:A Twin Peaks fan walks into a bar
because it was set so low.
Who says we aren't light-hearted?
Totally agree. Sh*t, we didn't even know Ed and Nadine were still married, so we had no reason to be excited when she finally had this "revelation".Dreamy Audrey wrote: I'm very happy that Ed and Norma are back together but the storyline was really dumb. There was no build-up to this "resolution", we barely saw anything of these two characters before and the Walter/franchise obstacle was only introduced one scene before this and not really an obstacle at all. The Ed/Norma resolution would have worked, if there had been some drama before. They could have introduced this storyline early on in the season, they could have shown us how Ed and Norma struggle because they can't be together, how Nadine is still an obstacle, how Norma distracts herself with Walter/the franchises even though it doesn't make her happy because she thinks there is no chance for her and Ed, how she might struggle with feelings for both Ed and Walter or has to choose between love and career, how this threatens a potential happy ending for Ed and Norma and so on. The Norma/Ed scene made me feel like I had just caught the last scene of a romance movie and missed the whole preceding movie Would anyone who hasn't seen the original series even care about their relationship or understand that scene?
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I had the same expectations like every week, but this episode had a lot of scenes that I liked compared to previous ones and a better flow of scenes. But maybe my reaction to Part 15 is different because my feelings about the return have always been mixed but not completely negative? Or maybe this episode is for some who dislike it what Part 8 is to me, because I don't understand why Part 8 seems to be generally liked among people in the mixed or disappointed camp.mlsstwrt wrote:I'm actually very surprised by the disappointed camp who weren't disappointed by Ep 15. To me it's just awful, as bad as anything that's gone before. I think maybe expectations are so low now that this is being judged by different standards. Did anybody else feel that Ep 15 was terrible?
The Tim Roth scenes..... as someone said it's a bit reminiscent of Natural Born Killers. But much worse. The dialogue is poverty Quentin Tarantino (who I never liked all that much anyway).
Far from being pure heroin Lynch, this actually feels like Twin Peaks lite to me. There's so little gravitas to this. Maybe they meant you need to be on pure heroin to get through this.
I just want to say that I agree with this. We're plopped into these people's lives, 25 years later. We gain impressions of them in their current moment. That's the style. Unorthodox to be sure, but that is the style.yaxomoxay wrote:First of all, I apologize if I sounded offensive. That was not my intent. Re-reading what I wrote I sound more Dr. Amp than the more meditative Dr. Jacoby. In my defense, first day of school for my kids... and I also blame the great American Solar Eclipse for my tone.Aqwell wrote:Do I have to justify my feelings ? Very Well. If it is about Ed I was ok with him being a lonely bachelor, it felt real, sad but that's life. This episode told us that in fact he went back with Nadine after season 2 and stayed 25 more years with her. Now after she gave him back his freedom (so to speak) he goes right back at Norma hoping it's not too late... Well I think 25 years is a bit too late and he should have had the courage to ask for divorce a very long time ago. Ed is a coward and a selfish man, thinking Norma didn't move on. But hey, he's a lucky guy and they end up together again, yippee!yaxomoxay wrote:Here you lost all credibility. At this point you want to be disappointed, and you want to not care.
The rest of your point is just bitching about nothing.
The convenience store scenes were ok I suppose? Not sure about Jeffries though...
As for the rest I agree with you, I'm bitching about nothing, because it's what it is for me, nothing, nada, zip.
Fortunately for you and others I don't plan to discuss how shitty that season is on any other thread than this one. And even if I wanted to, my english is not good enough to do so. But it seems some people have no problem with that in the other way round.
Nice to meet you too.yaxomoxay wrote:I am so glad you're not the writer/director.
I am still glad you're not the writer, lol. The thing is that what I read on both the "extremely insanely happy whatever Lynch does" and the "extremely disappointed whatever Lynch does" threads proves what I said for a while, probably since episode 3 or 4 of S3. That is, L/F found themselves in a very paradoxical situation. It is impossible, in my humble opinion, to create meaningful backstories to the old characters without going into the grotesque, in a soap opera way. That is, with 25 years delay the risk was to do a "Norma married Ed because this is what happened, and Bobby became a cop because this is what happened." 25 years is a long time, so the choice was between continuously mentioning the past hoping to create strong stories, or simply let it be, giving some clues, and start from where they are at. L/F chose the latter.
Me, too. I'm shocked at some of the praise being thrown at this one. And I have been enjoying the series for the most part...mlsstwrt wrote:I'm actually very surprised by the disappointed camp who weren't disappointed by Ep 15. To me it's just awful, as bad as anything that's gone before. I think maybe expectations are so low now that this is being judged by different standards. Did anybody else feel that Ep 15 was terrible?
well, hell, i like it. So shucks. I guess i don't know shit from shinolaTotally agree. Sh*t
HA! Trust me, I like that they are finally able to live out their lives together (and we definitely need some moments of lightness/happiness amongst the darkness, so that was a welcomed reprieve). Just the way we ended up here felt a little flat to me.referendum wrote:well, hell, i like it. So shucks. I guess i don't know shit from shinolaTotally agree. Sh*t
I usually use white noise, possibly deep sounds. I like the electrical sounds in "Anthology Resouce vol 1" but unfortunately the sounds are often "interrupted" and not continuous. The youtube channel "Relaxing White Noise" has some incredible stuff.mlsstwrt wrote:Me too, ASMR is awesome.Aqwell wrote:I watch ASMR videos on youtube with my headphones, it's nice.yaxomoxay wrote:I will watch some hula dancers dance for me... you know, it's a relaxation technique.
Haven't seen the latest episode yet but (kind of) looking forward to.
Yaxomoxay - that was an unusual spurt of aggression from you! Very out of character. Honestly I think at this point I'm going to find it hard to care much about Ed and Norma for the reasons others have stated. I cared about them a LOT in the original but at this point one or two scenes aren't necessarily going to immediately rekindle those old feelings. I would hope none of us are so attached to being disappointed that we're going to criticise no matter what but I think at this point it's going to be very difficult or impossible to salvage this as a whole. Still hoping for a great finale though.
Just one point I wanted to address which is that Lynch & Frost aren't making this with fans' reaction in mind. I think that isn't completely the case, the James 'Just You' performance was an absolutely undeniable 'nod' (or middle finger up) to the fans? I think it at least shows an awareness of how fans have reacted to certain characters or scenes. I'm not suggesting they're reading Dugpa but I think they probably have a pretty good grasp of how fans reacted to and are reacting to TP.
Yeah the teapot was weird, but in a saga with dopplegangers and lookalikes a re-cast of such an important character would've added another unpredictable element.mtwentz wrote:I pretty much loved the whole episode, except I was underwhelmed by the Jeffries/Teapot. But can I really fault Lynch for that? Not really, since it was better than a Bowie recast.nimeoa wrote: It had a few decent moments, and mostly sucked.