AnotherBlueRoseCase wrote:In fact we may have stumbled across a way of measuring precisely how much the cult of Lynch has blinded TR’s fanbase.
Think again about the shovel-painting, floor sweeping, chevrons above the slot machines, the striptease in front of the writer-director, the Monica Belushi dream, “Not where it counts, buddy”, “Oooh YOU’RE nice and wet”, the cheap digital look, the older women mostly shrews, the repeated failure to follow through on subplots or make them cohere, the minimal use of the original cast, the amount of dead air, the refusal of suspension of disbelief, Dougie’s sexual awakening, Laura’s murder cast in doubt, the whole thing perhaps a dream, Green Glove vs BOB, Cooper’s return delayed to episode 15 after endless teases and then prompted by a fork stuck in a socket. Now try to answer as honestly as you can: how would you have felt about the above, singly or especially as a package, if this Twin Peaks revival had been made by Tarantino?
That response you just had to sniggering Quentin fucking Tarantino doing all this to Twin Peaks, that’s the honest one and the right one. Your response to all this when perpetrated by David Lynch, if any different, that’s the fanboy one. The distance between the two is precisely how blinded you’ve been by the cult of Lynch.
There, that’s what I’ve been failing to articulate. And that’s my response to any TR fan who now comments here: would you still be saying that if the exact same show had been made by Tarantino? No, really.
Some fans won’t be able to answer that honestly, or even allow themselves to ask it. Some might, though.
Mr R --
Sorry, but as I've indicated I'm not interested in rehashing old discussions. Plus I'll be away now for weeks, so just won't be around to keep chatting.
Talking of links, however, I would be genuinely intrigued to read any of your work online. PM me if you wish.
Hey hey hey.
I'm with what Reindeer said over the past few days, and I think I've said this before. Your central question has been impossible to answer because no one but Lynch would have made this in this way. You ask if we'd accept it from another director or have accepted such things before, but I can't think of anything exactly like this; furthermore, isn't it the job of the "master" to take us down new paths and introduce new ways of experiencing and looking at things? As far as other works that perhaps come close, how about any of Godard's later films? Narrative is abandoned almost entirely in something like Film Socialisme and Goodbye to Language 3D, and all you're left with are the gags, the philosophies and the filmmaking, all of which are incredible, imo. What about *Corpus Callossum, one continuous sight gag, a film literally folding in on itself and then rewinding? I've said plenty of times that I'm more into the ideas behind the ideas in The Return, rather than the story itself, and so even the more questionable material you mention (Green Glove) I greatly admire. Actually, I don't find anything else that you mentioned questionable based on my interpretation of the piece. (Love the shovel painting and floor sweeping as I see things like this in films by, say, Bela Tarr all the time, Monica Belluci dream is a huge key to it all as it bridges the real world to the fictional world to the dreams in between, love the striptease, love the storytelling that spills off the screen as it results in abandoned subplots, don't think it's as simple as it's all a dream, etc)
And I've defended Lynch the actor and the practical reasons for Cole's involvement countless times, and that's a complaint I'll never understand. Few things make me giddier than Lynch/Cole stating the line you keep harping on about ("not where it counts, buddy") because I love its double meaning. Right as this thing is about to wrap up, Lynch himself warns us that he's still got balls as a filmmaker. You may find that narcissistic, but I find it to be a hilarious warning that fits with so many other meta-elements of the show.
And you really should check this thing out on Blu-ray: It doesn't look like cheap digital at all.