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Postby Metamorphia » Sun Jun 04, 2017 5:14 am

KnewItsPa wrote:
I'm not convinced by the theory that as the series progresses more of that mood will surface. It's not there in Lost Highway, Mullholland Drive, Inland Empire either, no reason it should be, but it's absence from the Twin Peaks series 3 opening 4 episodes is disappointing.

That the supernatural elements are now no longer ambiguous is a killer for me. BOB still might have just been a metaphor for psychosis or an evil spirit, or both or neither. The Red Room a kind of Jungian psycho- dream-space, not a sci-fi parallel dimension. Now we have garmonbozia being sent to an FBI lab, an gore-fest alien, and people actually coming out of electrical wall sockets. Not implied or mysterious. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy the hokey surrealism, but it's a marked difference from the original and disappointing that they've taken a more concrete approach to showing the mechanics of the occult. I almost feel like I'm being talked down to in this regard, it's too easy to follow!


We'll never see a true return to the original show (it's just not possible, frankly) but given this is a long-form series ABOUT Twin Peaks I think it's safe to say many homely elements will return. Just maybe not to the degree you hope.

KnewItsPa wrote:That the supernatural elements are now no longer ambiguous is a killer for me. BOB still might have just been a metaphor for psychosis or an evil spirit, or both or neither. The Red Room a kind of Jungian psycho- dream-space, not a sci-fi parallel dimension. Now we have garmonbozia being sent to an FBI lab, an gore-fest alien, and people actually coming out of electrical wall sockets. Not implied or mysterious. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy the hokey surrealism, but it's a marked difference from the original and disappointing that they've taken a more concrete approach to showing the mechanics of the occult. I almost feel like I'm being talked down to in this regard, it's too easy to follow!


I think it's possible for both to exist concurrently.
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Postby Talalay » Sun Jun 04, 2017 8:16 am

Thank you so much for this thread... I actually like Season Three so far but it is greatly comforting to find others who dare to see flaws in TP.
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Postby Twin Peaks Podcast » Sun Jun 04, 2017 1:02 pm

Twin Peaks: Season 3 scene done in Seasons 1&2 Style
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukzvjrY ... e=youtu.be

I just thought I'd try this as an exercise to see if it can be done. I noticed that there is so much silence and lingering shots in this new season of Twin Peaks that it would be fairly easy to edit down one of the long, drawn out season 3 scenes and make it a bit more snappy to make it feel a bit closer to classic Twin Peaks. Adding Angelo Badalamenti's music completes the package.

It's not perfect, but it's just an experiment. Overall I cut the scene down by about 45 seconds.

For the record, I'm not saying this is better than what Lynch did. I was just wondering if I could do it.
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Postby Talalay » Sun Jun 04, 2017 1:05 pm

Twin Peaks Podcast wrote:Twin Peaks: Season 3 scene done in Seasons 1&2 Style
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukzvjrY ... e=youtu.be

I just thought I'd try this as an exercise to see if it can be done. I noticed that there is so much silence and lingering shots in this new season of Twin Peaks that it would be fairly easy to edit down one of the long, drawn out season 3 scenes and make it a bit more snappy to make it feel a bit closer to classic Twin Peaks. Adding Angelo Badalamenti's music complete's the package.

It's not perfect, but it's just an experiment.


Great stuff... the world needs more people like you
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Postby Twin Peaks Podcast » Sun Jun 04, 2017 1:17 pm

Talalay wrote:
Twin Peaks Podcast wrote:Twin Peaks: Season 3 scene done in Seasons 1&2 Style
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukzvjrY ... e=youtu.be

I just thought I'd try this as an exercise to see if it can be done. I noticed that there is so much silence and lingering shots in this new season of Twin Peaks that it would be fairly easy to edit down one of the long, drawn out season 3 scenes and make it a bit more snappy to make it feel a bit closer to classic Twin Peaks. Adding Angelo Badalamenti's music complete's the package.

It's not perfect, but it's just an experiment.


Great stuff... the world needs more people like you


Haha. Well I wouldn't say that but thanks all the same.
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Postby baxter » Sun Jun 04, 2017 1:51 pm

Seconded- it's very cool. It really feels to me like bits of this new series are similar to the first one, except the lack of soundtrack totally changes the feel.

I'm not in the camp that thinks that the music is suddenly going to make a return (this seems like wishful thinking to me), but I'd love to know more about why this was done. Maybe it would just be too hard to reconcile the wild changes in tone across scenes if the soundtrack kept suddenly intruding every time the action moved to the town of Twin Peaks (i.e. the lack of music works really well in the New York scenes,so you wouldn't want it there).

Incidentally, my brother loved the new series after watching the first four parts on Friday. He found the first half of episode 3 "stupid", but didn't actively dislike it.
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Postby Talalay » Sun Jun 04, 2017 2:01 pm

baxter wrote:Seconded- it's very cool. It really feels to me like bits of this new series are similar to the first one, except the lack of soundtrack totally changes the feel.

I'm not in the camp that thinks that the music is suddenly going to make a return (this seems like wishful thinking to me), but I'd love to know more about why this was done. Maybe it would just be too hard to reconcile the wild changes in tone across scenes if the soundtrack kept suddenly intruding every time the action moved to the town of Twin Peaks (i.e. the lack of music works really well in the New York scenes,so you wouldn't want it there).

Incidentally, my brother loved the new series after watching the first four parts on Friday. He found the first half of episode 3 "stupid", but didn't actively dislike it.


I got this crazy idea but it just might work... how about synching up a muted TP and playing The Wizard of OZ over it?

PS - don't forget to wait until the third lion roar
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Postby Agent Earle » Sun Jun 04, 2017 2:02 pm

Ha. I, too, don't get all these fussing about the supposed excellence of part 3's first half. To me, the stuff felt quite a bit like Monthy Python's Flying Circus (Gabriel already made that comparison somewhere and I find it very apt and on-the-nose). Which is perfectly fine, don't get me wrong, it's just that it's a far cry from the supreme ominousness of what we saw, say, in the S 2 finale. By contrast, this here feels like some outrageously kooky and sardonically black comedy, externally symbolized with off-the-wall special effects. Not TP as I know it, anyhow. Well, knew it. :?
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Postby mlsstwrt » Mon Jun 05, 2017 7:19 am

Am abroad at the moment and unable to watch the new episode for a few days.

Can't wait to hear whether Episode 5 has won over any of us naysayers or lost any of you yaysayers.
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Postby Hockey Mask » Mon Jun 05, 2017 9:47 am

mlsstwrt wrote:Am abroad at the moment and unable to watch the new episode for a few days.

Can't wait to hear whether Episode 5 has won over any of us naysayers or lost any of you yaysayers.

I think everyone is holding steady.
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Postby AnotherBlueRoseCase » Mon Jun 05, 2017 12:53 pm

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Postby N. Needleman » Mon Jun 05, 2017 1:12 pm

AnotherBlueRoseCase wrote:E04 was a drop on E03, and now we have this sharper drop (apart from the music) acknowledged even by many of the enthusiasts, to their credit.


I think the most you can attribute to the 'enthusiasts' is some of them felt it was not quite as good as the first four.

Personally I thought it was the best yet, but that's me! I'll see myself out.
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Postby Gabriel » Mon Jun 05, 2017 1:15 pm

Agent Earle wrote:To me, the stuff felt quite a bit like Monthy Python's Flying Circus (Gabriel already made that comparison somewhere and I find it very apt and on-the-nose).

True, although it reminded strongly me of some of Walerian Borowczyk's animated work, which in turn heavily influenced Terry Gilliam...
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Postby Gabriel » Mon Jun 05, 2017 1:22 pm

N. Needleman wrote:Personally I thought it was the best yet, but that's me! I'll see myself out.

Yep! I felt this was a critical episode and it was way ahead of anything yet seen. I think there's been a lot wrong so far, but this part worked for me.
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Postby mlsstwrt » Mon Jun 05, 2017 2:23 pm

Does anyone feel that the complexity quotient and ambition in scope of the new series is so high as to be dilutive? The level of complexity in the original Series and FWWM was absolutely right for me, high enough to be beguiling and keep me thinking about the significance of the ring, the Lodge characters, etc but with still enough clarity and focus for the universe to feel coherent.

It feels like there are so many things going on now that Twin Peaks is now more puzzle than mystery.

Edit: I will admit to watching the DougieCoop 'Haloooooooooo' casino compilation on YouTube and finding it both hilarious and captivating. There's probably a lot to fascinate and admire in all of this but I can't connect with it in any meaningful way.

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