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Re: Twin Peaks Return: The Profoundly Disappointed Support Group (SPOILERS)

Postby N. Needleman » Tue Jun 13, 2017 6:06 pm

Yeah, the Jim Jones suicide cult analogy is not really much better than the Nazi analogy, actually. It hasn't been since the first night but it's kept coming up, which has steadily eaten away at most attempts at civil discourse despite my increasingly frequent requests to maybe not equate the rest of us with Jonestown/The Third Reich/Darth Vader/[insert evil here].

And what 'dominant ideology'? Is this like Casablanca, where we're going to claim to be shocked that people on a David Lynch message board who enjoy David Lynch's works also like David Lynch's new TV show? Is that really astroturfed opinion, or is that just a likely viewpoint you'll often find on the specialized forum we're all frequenting? I don't think Inland Empire is as amazing as some people (though I do quite like it), but you don't see me chilling in the IE subforum telling them they're oppressing me simply by having their own discussions about it. The thing is, I have a right to be there if I want to and no one's ever kept me out. I know that. It's the same here.

It's not that it's a dominant ideology; it's that a lot of us like it and a lot of you don't. That's okay. That's life.

It's not unquestioning; it's just that we like it and you don't. Again, that's life.

It doesn't make us lemmings, shills, dupes or (yes) death cultists just because we like something you don't. It just makes us different people.

I don't think you need to meditate on it to understand the show or whatever; I think that and some other suggestions by other posters have been unnecessarily condescending. I think if you come to like it in the final analysis you'll do that on your own, or you won't. I'm sorry if you're not enjoying it but that is not my responsibility. I'm sorry we differ but I can't change that. I'll listen to someone's opinion about the show and take it into account, though, until someone accuses me of being an idiot, a cultist or a Nazi. I'm not going to be belittled for liking something you don't like I owe you more. The show may or may not owe you something but I certainly don't. Not that far.

You can criticize the show anywhere on the board. What you don't seem to like is that you can't criticize the rest of us for not feeling the way you do - that you can't put that feeling of being wronged on us.

This show is probably as intensely emotional and personal an experience for most of us as it is for you. I respect how personal that is because I know it is for me. That doesn't mean that your processing your feelings about your disappointment is my cross to bear until you feel like you're done calling the rest of us names or suggesting we're a lab experiment. There's a limit.
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Re: Twin Peaks Return: The Profoundly Disappointed Support Group (SPOILERS)

Postby dugpa » Tue Jun 13, 2017 9:35 pm

Alright folks. Let's reel it back a bit.
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Postby douglasb » Tue Jun 13, 2017 9:48 pm

It was much easier when those posting in this thread understood the purpose of the thread.

All the info is there in the OP.
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Postby DirkG » Wed Jun 14, 2017 12:16 am

IcedOver wrote:I'm disappointed in so many things with this show, but the intro is at the bottom of the list. I think the shot of that same old Laura photo is cheesy. I also don't like the emphasis on the Black Lodge. That should be something that's hidden, mysterious, not shoved in your face every episode. I agree with the above poster that the shorter the intro, the better. This isn't a conventionally structured series, just a series of parts edited with a hacksaw (as was evident in Part 6 which had the most "what the hell?" nothing ending of any of them). It's almost not necessary to have any credits, but I guess they put it in because of the nostalgia of the theme. I do wish the theme had been changed somewhat, perhaps to the slowed-down version in the teasers, or not used at all. This show is not the original series, that much is blatantly clear.

But anyway, regarding this latest "part," my feelings on the show have gone from reversing my original negative opinion back down into extremely frustrated with and almost hating it. That hour was just dreadful. Anybody who says that hour was the best of the six has something wrong with them. Either they've completely pre-judged it and aren't really "watching" it, or they have no taste, no discernment in what is good writing/directing/editing/acting.


I already wrote it, I believe it was in the part's thread, and without any doubt whatsoever I stand by my opinion that it was the best of season 3 so far (although not by a mile, but far enough for it to be a clear case IMO). I'd have no problem listing my reasons why, but since there seem to be more haters than lovers of it, I'm rather curious to how you all motivate your hatred for it. Now it almost feel like my comment triggered everybody to react in a contrarian matter and I'm genuinely curious. BTW the slowed down theme was horrible and I'm so glad that it's gone. I had the feeling someone at Showtime's marketing division edited it and it had nothing to do with Lynch or Badalamenti.
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Re: Twin Peaks Return: The Profoundly Disappointed Support Group (SPOILERS)

Postby BOB1 » Wed Jun 14, 2017 12:49 am

mlsstwrt wrote:I think this is the one reason true believers might want to avoid this thread. Because what we're saying about you comes across as offensive. But from our point of view it's an interesting psychological phenomenon. From our perspective the show isn't very good and so it's interesting that many people still want to talk about it in such gushing terms. We see it as, as Gabriel said, as a great example of the Emperor's new clothes phenomenon. And that's quite fascinating.

But from YOUR point of view the premise of that discussion is wrong, The Return isn't terrible, the Emperor does have amazing new clothes and you are not saying the clothes are amazing because you are going along with the crowd but you really love the clothes!

I fully believe that you and many others genuinely love The Return. I think there probably is a contingent out there who is befuddled by all this but are choosing to be swept along in a wave of adulation because of, as someone above said, the human need for wish fulfillment. On the other side I think there are some of us who genuinely don't like The Return for good reason and others who maybe aren't giving it enough of a go, had the 'wrong' expectations, etc.

So please don't be too offended or feel we're looking down at you while complaining that you all are looking down at us! I don't think it's true and isn't the intention. At least from my perspective I don't think I'm seeing something you're not and I'm very aware that, reading for example counterpaul's great posts, that you're obviously seeing something that I'm not.

Nevertheless I think many of us see Part 6 as poor television, abysmal at times, and so, yes, we are at a point where there seems to be a huge disconnect between the quality of what we're seeing and the fervent praise for it. That's all.


Thanks a lot for writing this. I'm enjoying this thread a lot but sometimes it really goes in the wrong direction of "anyone who thinks [whatever] has something wrong with their head". Sure this thread is meant for the disappointed but - as you have yourself pointed out on the example of counterpaul - those who like The Return can provide great input, too.
And your posts (the one quoted above in particular!) remind us all over again what the real value of this thread is. "The Profoundly Disappointed Support Group" is like a subforum in the subforum and you serve as the unofficial moderator... just wanted to say that you're doing a great job! (Though I doubt it's a good consolation for the loss of twin peaks which you are experiencing :( ).

Sorry for multi-posting but I'll go on to place my Part 6 rants in another post and probably make yet another one for replying to some quotes from the last few pages...
... otherwise it'd get so long nobody would ever read it ;-)
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Re: Twin Peaks Return: The Profoundly Disappointed Support Group (SPOILERS)

Postby boske » Wed Jun 14, 2017 1:08 am

The show, not only the lodge, for me has lost its aura of mystique. Lodge though in particular, as elaborated by some posters here, no doubt about it. Compare the original and its scenes to what we have now: the night scene with Maddy posing as Laura, James and Donna in the woods, Jacques' apartment scene, and so on. These kinds of scenes are gone. Instead we get brutal murder scenes with screwdrivers and random acts of horrific violence. Now, I accept people like the show for whatever reasons, and good for them, let them enjoy it. But we should be able to criticize what some of us feel is wrong, I mean even Lynch and Frost (if they are to believed) hated some of the original, maybe they will be, or already are, hating some of the new season. Having read Mark's book, I see a lot of effort that went into its style that I do not see in the show. Even if you take a look at two promo photos for the next book you wonder if we are talking about the same show. Is is partially due to the effects of going digital? May well be. This though is not revisting the world of Twin Peaks, but revisting the world of Goodfellas and Casino.

I still think the show started strong (Purple World scene is a masterpiece), but I have this feeling, starting with episode 4 and subsequently noticeably increasing, that I do not feel compelled to watch it again after the second viewing. I mean, it is bland, the aura is gone, what is there to ponder: screwdriver murder and an envelope with a black dot on it? An army od disappearing characters and wild goose chase sub-plots? I will definitely be getting both soundracks as I still find most of the music very compelling, but I am at this point (if it keeps up this way), simply giving the DVD a pass.
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Postby sackboy97 » Wed Jun 14, 2017 1:22 am

boske wrote:The show, not only the lodge, for me has lost its aura of mystique. Lodge though in particular, as elaborated by some posters here, no doubt about it. Compare the original and its scenes to what we have now: the night scene with Maddy posing as Laura, James and Donna in the woods, Jacques' apartment scene, and so on. These kinds of scenes are gone. Instead we get brutal murder scenes with screwdrivers and random acts of horrific violence. Now, I accept people like the show for whatever reasons, and good for them, let them enjoy it. But we should be able to criticize what some of us feel is wrong, I mean even Lynch and Frost (if they are to believed) hated some of the original, maybe they will be, or already are, hating some of the new season. Having read Mark's book, I see a lot of effort that went into its style that I do not see in the show. Even if you take a look at two promo photos for the next book you wonder if we are talking about the same show. Is is partially due to the effects of going digital? May well be. This though is not revisting the world of Twin Peaks, but revisting the world of Goodfellas and Casino.

Well, I'd say that's unlikely as they made this whole season together. What they hated of the original was (from my understanding at least) mostly stuff they weren't involved with.
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Postby BOB1 » Wed Jun 14, 2017 1:24 am

With Part 6 I am jumping back on the Group :(

Having accepted the first four hours as a somewhat lengthy prologue (which had very bad moments and very good moments) and getting very encouraged after Part 5 (which I found exquisite from A to Z), I did grow an expectation that from now on it MUST be really good all the time if it is supposed to work. Too much time had been wasted so far and arguments that "it's just the beginning of 18 hours" don't apply to me at all - a film has a different structure than a TV episode but nevertheless it should have a narrative structure which takes the viewer in. God, I watched Nicolas Roeg's "Don't Look Now" last night and how fabulously does the beginning work there! Lynch knows how to do it, too. He says: Dick Laurent is dead and there is no dawdling (not to mention Blue Velvet which has one of the best film beginnings ever).

But fine, for some reason, say, we needed to struggle through whatever was happening in the first two hours and then experience the other two hours, however un-tv-like they were. And that's it. Now we've got to get started. And what...? Part 6 felt to me, quoting Gabriel, as a "disjointed mess". Nothing seemed to be related to anything. I can't get myself to remember who is who and what they did in a scene three episodes ago. And even if I could, still I find that those scenes are totally random. And it's not only far from good TV, it's far from good film, too. One of the things I so love about Blue Velvet is the way the scenes FLOW, each of them is exactly where it should be, to the point that I can't imagine any re-editing, like changing the order of scenes or throwing a new scene inside. For me this is characteristic of great films, as well as for instance great rock albums: that every piece is placed in the one and only good... place.
Part 6 of The Return, especially the second part of it, was exactly the opposite. The Dougie parts in the first half were consistent alright, and since I don't have a problem with Dougie (actually I find him to be The return's biggest asset), it was OK (still, the scenes from Pt 5 seemed much better). The cut to Albert and Diane - no problem with that, it worked, and from then on - MESS. I might say that there wasn't a single scene I enjoyed for the rest of the episode but that might not be true because I obviously slept through some of it... Yes, I am planning a rewatch and I sincerely hope I will find things better. So far, it was just boring for me.

I don't know why the hit-and-run scene didn't have any emotional impact on me. Family and friends say it was strong.

The midget/ice pick scene - well, it wasn't bad as such but it felt so out of place in every respect. Of course reminded me hugely of the clumsy hitman in Mulholland Drive.

The sheriff's office scene - nah, something didn't work again. The Frank Truman/ Doris scene from Episode 5 was perhaps one of the best Return moments so far and I think the most old Twin Peaks-like of all. And here I didn't want to see it anymore.

Hawk finding papers in the toilet? Why didn't it make me feel intrigued at all?

and so on.
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Postby TheAlien » Wed Jun 14, 2017 1:26 am

I'm still not in this group :mrgreen: But I do find it fascinating what on the other side are feeling about this, indeed!
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Postby BOB1 » Wed Jun 14, 2017 1:49 am

I read the previous pages and there is so much I'd like to reply to... perhaps I should consider taking a leave cause being able to post about twice a week doesn't seem to work, really ;-)

counterpaul wrote:The hit and run scene, plus Janey-E's monologue about the "dark, dark days" these characters are living in, plus Bushnell first dismissing but then seeing the truth in Coop's scribbles, plus Maggie's reminder not to jump to conclusions based on what we see on the surface with regards to Doris. This all adds up to something. Lynch is telling us what he's up to, here.


Yeah. Probably. Seems like a good point. My problem lies on a more shallow level, though. I'm happy to read about people finding meanings in it (which I clearly fail to do) but it doesn't help the simple fact that the scenes that you have mentioned just don't appeal to me. "Meaningful but boring" gives more hope for he future than "meaningless and boring", still...

So let's move to Dougie because he is the one thing I really feel connected to.

LostInTheMovies wrote:Do you think not just Dougie but the entire reality he's embedded in is "manufactured"? There's definitely a Mulholland Drive-esque vibe to that whole reality. I guess we'll find out if/when the Great Northern key arrives at its destination.


counterpaul wrote:Well, I guess it depends on how you're reading the word "manufactured." I don't think we're going to end up with some literal parallel dimension or alternate timeline or something. Let me put it this way: I think that key Jade threw in the mailbox is going to end up in Twin Peaks--the same Twin Peaks where/when Hawk is investigating what's missing and how it relates to Coop.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if we're never told how Dougie was manufactured in any concrete sense. It doesn't really matter to me, either way, as long as the poetry of it resonates. Dougie's life is manufactured in the sense that it is a false life for Dale Cooper. It's a result of how desperately lost he's been for 25 years.


Now that is all VERY interesting. I don't know if it goes this way but that's something I like to ponder on.
So when I have a good day, I go more towards the above.
When I have a bad day, my thoughts go more towards...

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Putontheglasses wrote:Maybe Jacoby and his shovels are symbolic here. He goes on what seems to be a genuine, meaningful heartfelt rant about the world and ends it by hawking a gold color spray painted shovel. He also guarantees it has two coats when it doesn't. He calls it a golden shovel to make it seem more valuable.


And thinking like that REALLY gets me down, yet sometimes I can't help it.



counterpaul wrote:It seems to me that once they realized that Part 5 would end on the box in Argentina, they decided that the first scene with the box was close enough to the start of the 5th hour that they could juggle things around a bit and create this sense of symmetry. It's one of only a very small handful of nods to the hourly format, though.

Obviously, Lynch was careful to place the Shelly/James Roadhouse scene at the end of the first two hours, and "I know where she drinks" makes a nice capper for an hour of TV and it probably didn't just land at the end of hour 4 by chance. The structure, for the most part, is loose enough that certain scenes can be reordered a bit if opportunities for nice beats to start/end on arise.

Beyond that, however, I absolutely do think they're working on this as a giant 18 hour movie. I totally believe Lynch is on the level when he's implied that they cut this whole thing together before they even started thinking about breaking it up into parts. Once they did start breaking it up, sure, they made tweaks here and there where it made sense, but I doubt they made any major changes for the sake of constructing "episodes."

Part 6 seems like complete proof if this! It is many things, but it is NOT an episode of television. More than any other part so far, it is clearly just the next hour or so of the 18 hour film, with a musical performance thrown onto the end as a bookmark.

I personally love this approach!


And I personally hate it :) You put it all very well but I don't see why a film - 2 hours or 18 hours - should be as unstructured as this. To me, it's just bad film, as well as it is bad TV! "Constructing episodes" is one thing but constructing a feature film is as important. Throwing scenes in a random order is bad. Of all Lynch's works so far, only Inland Empire had this kind of problem, and I do believe that Inland Empire has serious narrative flaws, which are saved by Laura Dern's HUGE performance - she creates something really big there and wraps all loose ends around it.

Like I wrote in an earlier post, I believe in such an approach to film structure where things are placed in the right places ;-)
Therefore -
Purple Room at the beginning of Part 3 - that was a blast!
Shelly/James Roadhouse scene at the end of Part 2 - that was like "oh finally something works!"
all Pt 5 - yes!

most of Pt 6 - no! :)

That said, I do need a rewatch when I'm not sleeping it over!


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yaxomoxay wrote:Also, what's wrong with the stock photo of Laura? That is probably the single image that defines TP, so I honestly don't get the problem.

That I can answer easily. The Return, like it or not, doesn't feel like the old Twin Peaks at all. The feel sometimes comes back but it's not there straight away. So the photo of Laura as well as the original music - placed at the very beginning - look like they've been imported from a different story. They define Twin Peaks but not The Return!
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Re: Twin Peaks Return: The Profoundly Disappointed Support Group (SPOILERS)

Postby boske » Wed Jun 14, 2017 2:59 am

Phillip Gerard appeals to Dougie Cooper not to die, I think some of us here send the same message to the show itself: it feels like it is on verge od dying. There still is time to dig itself out of it (and there goes the Dr. Amp analogy). I have used these 6 parts we saw as a first milestone, I will update my views after part 9 has aired for the second milestone.
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Postby dud » Wed Jun 14, 2017 4:04 am

clocking in here as someone who is heavily mixed. really enjoy some bits and really turned off by others. i'm surprised by my own reaction because this season has pretty much turned out to be exactly what i anticipated it being (ie more mulholland drive, less twin peaks nostalgia, etc) yet i'm not enjoying it to the extent that i expected. despite this, still very excited and optimistic about where the show is going! and there are a lot of parts that i do love a lot.

anyway, i was writing this in another thread and decided to post it here instead:

i usually rewatch each part once on monday or tuesday after it airs. i always enjoy the rewatch significantly more than the initial viewing. the first viewing i'm too concerned with what's happening, my mind is too busy processing everything to actually enjoy it, i think. the second viewing i just relax and let it wash over me and i enjoy it much more.

same thing happened with mulholland drive. when i first saw it i was thinking too much about what i was seeing, trying to piece clues together, naively hoping all the threads would be answered. needless to say i ended up hating it. the second time i watched it years later i knew what i was getting myself into and i absolutely loved it. went from hating it and being completely frustrated by it to being one of my favorite movie viewing experiences of all time. it goes to show how much of an effect your own personal perceptions can have (which is often incorrectly projected onto the quality of the work: i went from thinking MD was garbage to thinking it was a masterpiece.)

anyway, i urge everyone who doesn't like it to give each part a second watch. moments that made me uncomfortable or were frustrating on the first watch became much more enjoyable on the second viewing once i knew what to expect. lots of moments that i strongly disliked the first time around i genuinely enjoyed the second time around. i think a lot of us (definitely my case) are just too analytical and invested in what's happening to kick back and enjoy the show in the way that lynch movies are meant to be enjoyed (in a more meditative, less hyper-critical state)
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Postby Gabriel » Wed Jun 14, 2017 4:48 am

To be entirely honest, Part 6 really got me despondent. I've toughed out six episodes and if the seventh doesn't do anything for me, I'm done. I'll cancel the Now TV subscription and wait until the whole lot is available on Netflix or iTunes. I haven't the patience to wait until Part 9 or something for a two minute scene to show up with Hawk silently reading the pages he found in Part 6, then wait until Part 12 before he appears again to tell anyone about it.

I'm enjoying moments of the new show, but as a whole I'm finding the whole experience depressing. It's lovely that some people think they're watching David Lynch's most brilliant 'magnum opus.' I feel like I watching cheap videotaped fanfic – this is the Twin Peaks equivalent of Arrested Development season four or Gremlins 2 or the later scenes in Blazing Saddles: a 'clever-clever,' meta spoof that, to me, shows a contempt for the source material.

So I think it's fair to say after a third of the episodes that I've given it a go. I'm not going to sit around the boards bitching about the new show for another three months if some people are getting something out of the experience. I have no desire to spoil the experience for them. I'm really not enjoying it and I'd rather watch one of the many shows out there influenced by the original Twin Peaks. It's hurts that I find myself agreeing with Quentin Tarantino. Swap FWWM for TP: The Return in his comments and Tarantino's words are my words now. I've rewatched several of Lynch's films over the last few weeks and I can see the parting of the ways probably happened as far back as Mulholland Dr. I love pretty much everything up to and including the Straight Story.

Sometimes you realise that someone or something is simply heading in a different direction from you and when you reach that fork in the road, you let them go, 'with love.'

I think I've reached that stage, so if I don't feel any different after next Monday, the way will be clear.
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Postby Jonah » Wed Jun 14, 2017 5:43 am

Now anytime I try to air my disappointments in the main episode threads, I'm being told it's just because I miss the old show and the characters (which is true in part, but not my major reason for not loving the new series) or have been flat out called "impatient and reactionary". So I can see why people are starting to gravitate to this thread. It's a shame though. It seems like you have to post here if you're disappointed - and then it's called the "bash thread". But in truth I'd rather post on the main boards on an episode by episode basis and will continue to do so. We should all be able to discuss our individual feelings about each episode, and the series overall, without being grouped into "loving it" or "disappointed".

It's not that I hate the new series, I just find I'm not enjoying it. And I find I'm really wanting to like it more than I do. But I just find it mostly cold and boring. And very repetitive and dull. For example, in Episode 6, there was only one all too brief moment that got me excited (Diane) and another (Hawk finding the pages) that I thought was pretty good. The rest just felt alienating and dull. All that stuff with the goons and Vegas is just so dull, the silly little hitman, ugh, and the over the top absurd comedy of Dougie/Janey-E only partially works. I don't think that's impatience. If the material isn't working for someone, it isn't working for them. And it's not just that I miss the town and the characters because frankly a lot of those scenes - in the town - feel off to me too.

I don't know, I'll probably stick with it. But I enjoy talking about it on here more than I actually enjoy watching it. It definitely does feel more like "Mulholland Drive - The TV Series". I don't necessarily want it to be cozy or to revisit old ground, but I would like it to be set in the town and follow characters from "Twin Peaks". That much is true. But beyond that there's a lot that just isn't working for me in the new series - it feels disconnected and badly structured.

Above all, I'm sure it is leading somewhere, and I do think it will get better. But that's not the point. This isn't about impatience. It's about not really enjoying the individual episodes or "parts" to date.

Edited to add - Just want to say I respect everyone's views whether they love it, hate it, or are inbetween. I don't get why everyone has to argue with each other about it. I enjoy reading people's thoughts, even those I don't agree with. I think everyone should be able to say they love it, hate it, or are mixed, without people judging them and analysing "WHY" they feel the way they do. People have outright told me (in the most recent Episode 6 thread) "you feel that way because you just want the old show back", "you're bordering on impatient and reactionary". I mean, come on. Let everyone have their view without psychoanalysis.
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Postby Jonah » Wed Jun 14, 2017 5:56 am

Here's what I've loved so far:

Cooper and Laura in the red room. This was a special treat for me to see them together again.

Here's what I've liked so far:

The pre-credits flashback opening scene of Episode 1, featuring Laura and Coop in the red room.

Cooper and The Giant.

Hawk and the Log Lady.

The bizarre opening of Episode 3 with Cooper.

Some of the box stuff - the initial slow set-up and coffee and him watching the box because it seemed intriguing. Didn't like the rest of it.

The first introduction of Bad Coop - the music, the car driving along the road.

The scene in the jail with Bad Coop, Albert, and Cole - very eerie and well done.

The scene with Albert and Cole discussing Bad Coop and the case - excellent.

The scene in the Roadhouse with Shelly and James.

Some of the red room stuff - but don't like the look of the new red room.

The bit in the mirror where Bad Coop sees Bob. Very well done.

Some of the stuff in the sherriff's station - but not all of it. Lucy/Andy are a bit more wearing this time around.

Cooper/Dougie in the casino - the "helloooooo" scenes.

Some of the Dougie/Jane-Y scenes - the coffee, some of the office stuff - but I feel a lot of this could have been cut down.

When Jade mails the key.

Dougie at the statue of the officer and the music here.

Seeing Diane.

Hawk finding the pages.

Seeing Sarah Palmer, albeit briefly.

Seeing Glastonbury Grove, again albeit briefly.

Kyle's performance.


- There might be more, but can't recall now and I haven't rewatched properly. But I haven't been too crazy about much of the other stuff - all the stuff in Vegas, Buckhorn, etc., I haven't really enjoyed. I don't flat-out hate any of it - it just hasn't worked for me. And I don't like a lot of the new stuff in the town itself either - Wally, the scenes in Episodes 5 and 6. The show feels too "MD" for me - even though I liked "MD".

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