Twin Peaks Return: The Profoundly Disappointed Support Group

[LateReg]

I've got to say that, even though I've enjoyed many Dougie moments, it's time. If the next hour doesn't either significantly advance the story or have him "wake up," I can't say I have much hope for the long-term health of this show. Having this story extend to the end or near the end of the show would be extreme folly. While the initial absurdist feel of these scenes was amusing, to be honest, Dougie Coop's behavior is starting to feel uncomfortably close to an exaggeration of someone who is mentally challenged, more than anything else. What was trying to be said with this character has been said, and it's time to progress past it.

His behavior is consistent with someone who had their brain fried/scrambled by spending 25 years in a nether, dream world, then being catapulted into nothingness, before being reborn into the real world by going through and electric socket.

In fact, in makes perfect sense, though I think if Coop came back into the world the way he was supposed to (through Glastonbury Grove), he would not be nearly as disoriented.

The absurdity is not so much Coop's behavior but the fact that he hasn't been taken to a doctor or a hospital yet. But this is Twin Peaks- it's always had quite a bit of absurdity in its story lines (as in, an FBI agent who solves cases through dreams and visions).

Agree about the absurdity and where its at. I think it goes beyond that, though, in that it's actually an absurdist comedy in those moments; that's the actual style...there's no reason to hold it up to any standards of realism such as "why doesn't anyone notice anything's wrong?" as so many have asked. It's like asking why a cartoon character doesn't die when a piano falls on him. It's pure absurdism. At the same time it's also other things, as you alluded to, a satire of humanity's ignorance to the plight of others as well as a very moving spiritual journey and an inquiry into identity, as many have pointed out. Which isn't to say one can't find it boring. I just personally have grown into it emotionally, and I think it will play better for most people after we know it has an endpoint and what that destination is.

[Venus]

You're not wrong. It doesn't get better, it just continues at the same level.

Let Cairon judge for himself but I will be surprised if he is not one of those who react very positively to Part 7 ("at last!!").

Of course, he'll judge for himself. Me writing words on an internet forum won't bend his mind, but there is no point in hoping something is suddenly going to click and we're back in Twin Peaks. Part 7 is not any real departure from the previous 6 episodes in terms of plot, tone, pacing, snese of place or anything else. Maybe for some people a kind of televisual Stockholm syndrome sets in. Don't get me wrong Inland Empire the TV series would be great, but yeah, that gum I like didn't come back in style.

"Fuck you Gordon."

'But the original show was all about incest and murder at the heart of it'

The Palmer Case was never the heart of it. That was the initial mystery that drew us into Twin Peaks. The original show was about exploring the lives of the characters around that mystery, and into the world around (and beyond) it. One of the reasons ratings dropped after the Palmer Case was solved is that people didn't really get that Twin Peaks was more a soap opera than a murder-mystery, which was only one of the threads. Eastenders isn't about the death of Reg Cox (sorry, british analogy), it just serves a dramatic purpose of introducing some of the main characters.

I agree and disagree at the same time. Laura was the catalyst around which everything revolved. Yes they built the show around it and the lives of the characters around the mystery of her and beyond it but to say the Palmer case wasn't at the heart of it, imo, is a bit misguided. Reg Cox was soon forgotten in Eastenders whereas Laura was never forgotten, even during season 2.

[Framed_Angel]

I see a lot of Lynch/Frost making commentary about the state of the world through this new series. The dislike that everything has to be immediate, that modern technology isn't such a good thing. The 'be patient and take the time to just breathe and watch people sweeping and painting shovels and watch grown men acting like 2 year olds'. It's like a test of patience. Forcing people to do that. In that way, the commentary and art of it is interesting.

This sounds like the way I've adjusted my attitude. I forgot where I read it, but someone mentioned Lynch's own book where he talks about transcendental meditation. His practice of it, including "getting prepared for it." I'm trying to think of this season as an exercise similar to savoring and contemplating the moments being experienced in TP S3. Wondering if this early stage of developing storylines is like the "preparation" part of a central experience to come.

I was really let down watching parts 1-4, then especially 5, for the tediousness of a lot of scenes specifically in addition to the overall non-Peaks-feel generally. The part where dead Ruth's neighbor is back-&-forth with the cops in Part 1 made me feel like I was trapped in a room with characters whose behavior was frustrating me (including Perlich's "Hank" character). The exchanges between Dougie and various characters from Jade to the Casino to his own house, felt prolonged and tedious. Naomi it seemed was overacting and even Lillard -- I just didn't feel invested enough in the characters so early on to give a hoot.

I finally watched "Eraserhead" for the first time last weekend and while I can't say how exactly, it helped sort of level my approach, as if I "get" Lynch a bit more, with his vision. It's still an unscrutable vision but I'm trying TP S3 through a new lens now, re-watching all the Parts in a different perspective. The neighbor-lady with the chihuahua isn't bugging me as much... Perlich almost made me laugh, and Lillard almost made me cry. Weird, eh?

Lastly, I try to keep in mind S1 in its day became 9 episodes that were originally going to be a movie then refashioned into a series that got passed around among guest-directors. I don't think of the Peaks I came to love as a static creation exclusively of Lynch/ Frost but an organic composite of different participants' visions. Somehow the actors came to fully inhabit their roles which I feel made them so compelling on screen, taking a stake in my caring about them. With S2 this continuation of multiple chefs stirring the stew could be felt to have an impact I'm guessing deteriorated as the original creators' involvement waned. And with Fire Walk W Me composed of just Lynch's vision with none of Frost, it figures into the final conclusion I've drawn that one can't expect anything from Lynch except to be surprised, at times delighted, other times frustrated, and always mystified. I'm really hoping for new things to emerge as I re-watch all of S3.

[Here Comes That Bob]

Have to admit , I'm gradually starting to warm up for the show, especially after a rewatch of last episode and discussing it with fellow Dugpas. Can't wait for PART 8 and plotlines to start unraveling.

[djsunyc]

Have to admit , I'm gradually starting to warm up for the show, especially after a rewatch of last episode and discussing it with fellow Dugpas. Can't wait for PART 8 and plotlines to start unraveling.

i love the show but i'll say this - i think the episodes get better after each re-watch. i'm not sure how or why but they do.

[gavin]

Here is what I got out of episode 8

1. Hobos gather at gas stations and doppelgänger's bodies in search of matches.

2. What lifted up the giant apparently couldn't pick up the fat girl, so she got a "Laura Palmer" jelly bean instead.

3. Sometimes a network should have a little veto power over creative controls.

[mujubuju]

Kicking back with some popcorn to watch the fireworks after what we just saw, LOL.

[Twin Peaks Podcast]

Gonzo's impression of David Lynch.
https://youtu.be/BCduxiDH0Mw

[mtwentz]

Kicking back with some popcorn to watch the fireworks after what we just saw, LOL.

I think it's going to take a long time for people to absorb what they just saw. Of course, some people who were on the fence will probably bail at this point. Others might actually be more intrigued then ever. It's hard to predict.

[mujubuju]

Kicking back with some popcorn to watch the fireworks after what we just saw, LOL.

I think it's going to take a long time for people to absorb what they just saw. Of course, some people who were on the fence will probably bail at this point. Others might actually be more intrigued then ever. It's hard to predict.

Sure hope so.

[mujubuju]

Picturing Gabriel's reaction to this episode is probably the best thing ever right now.

[yaxomoxay]

Picturing Gabriel's reaction to this episode is probably the best thing ever right now.

Lol!
Some people are going to have lynchian strokes tonight.


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[Panapaok]

I'm guessing a lot of people are jumping ship after Part 8.

[David Locke]

I think this was easily the best episode yet this season. Maybe not the easiest to watch - but it's something that I sense I'm going to be remembering and returning to in the future multiple times, in a way I don't think I necessarily will with much of the first 7 hours.

Just what an astonishing, ambitious, disturbing piece of work. If I have to nitpick I might say the "Stargate"-esque images were a little too reminiscent of that scene from 2001, but overall I really was impressed by this and look forward to re-watching ASAP.

[LurkerAtTheThreshold]

Here is what I got out of episode 8

1. Hobos gather at gas stations and doppelgänger's bodies in search of matches.

2. What lifted up the giant apparently couldn't pick up the fat girl, so she got a "Laura Palmer" jelly bean instead.

3. Sometimes a network should have a little veto power over creative controls.

I was thinking the whole of episode 8, Lynch is lucky this whole thing is pre recorded, because if it was a live act surely they'd have dragged him from the stage and be skinning him and hanging him from the rafters by now. Talk about the need for veto power.

Wow!

I was back on board last episode. But this----
This----episode 8 business.....
Surely this is a fuck you to the audience? I'm still riding this wave to the beach, but should we be calling the authorities about the tsunami?
This series really feels like psychological abuse.

Saw some shots from Frost on set with Lynch obviously during filming of last episode, Frost said he was only on set that day they were filming his father. Does anyone else get the feeling that Lynch just went on this self righteous art trip when no one else was around, and no one saw the final thing until David Nevins called it 'pure heroine' or whatever.

I mean I went to believe this is a cohesive story but right now it feels like schizophrenics fighting over which one has the best invisible basketball.

What is this show about?
I get that this might fit with the mythology/have somehow derived from a mutual script about the black lodge forming out of a nuclear explosion and so on.

Do you think we're actually going to get the planet of cream corn in this thing?

I don't know what to say.
Every new episode I feel like someone has shoved a fork up my ass