Twin Peaks Return: The Profoundly Disappointed Support Group

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Re: Twin Peaks Return: The Profoundly Disappointed Support Group (SPOILERS)

Postby David Locke » Wed Aug 30, 2017 1:36 am

Maybe there haven't been that many Angelo tracks in TR, but there's been several at least. You can find them on the soundtrack here. I think "Accident / Farewell Theme" (which, IIRC, we heard after the hit and run, after the Log Lady died, and in 16 when Coop says goodbye to his "family") is tremendously beautiful, in the vintage TP/Angelo way. "The Chair" was similarly memorable, and of course "Heartbreaking" too. It's a shame the soundtrack for TR isn't nearly as brilliant as the original, but there's been brilliance in it, at the least.

I'm just confused, though, because the whole "TP music increasing with each ep as Coop returns" thing has not happened very consistently at all. Episodes are still often very light on the music, certainly the Angelo pieces, and especially any vintage Angelo tunes. Yes, Part 16 was an exception as the TP Theme, Audrey's Dance and others were rather prevalent (tho' still nothing like the original series), but if you look at Parts 1 to 15 I don't think there's a very consistent increase in Peaks-y music. It kind of was like that up til Part 7 or 9 maybe, but then... nope. And it's too bad because 9 (I think) made great use of old, somewhat obscure Peaks music, like "Night Bells" and "Deer Meadow Shuffle."

I very much admire the more drone-y, subtle kind of sound work Lynch and co. are doing in TR, but it's just not at all a replacement for the music of the original.

I suspect we probably will be hearing more in the last two hours though if 16 is anything to go by, and now that Coop really is back. I thought it was as good as any Part thus far. Perfect, of course not, but KM was fantastic, Audrey's scene was eerie as hell and just perfect, with that music again... and even the smaller sillier stuff like the Polish Accountant, I loved it.

BUT, there's really no reason why this had to take 15 hours to happen, BESIDES just making Coop waking up more satisfying. I mean, of course it's going to be satisfying when you're made to wait that long, but does what happen in between warrant such a gambit? I don't think so. The Dougie story had its good/great parts, but it did not need to be 13 hours long. It was incredibly simple and just kind of treading water, a sure sign of padding out things from 9 to 18 hours. AND, most of all, the thing that catalyzed the "return" was arbitrary in the extreme. He put a fork in the socket. OK. That coulda happened back in Part 9 when he also eyed an electrical outlet. Or Part 11 or 12. Or Part 5 or 6 or 7. It's just so much dead air and wasted time, and the only way this is going to finish satisfactorily is if it really is kind of saving the biggest and best material for the last 2 hours, going out with a bang and a kind of 2-hour Lynch film inside a giant Lynch film. Let's hope.
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Postby Here Comes That Bob » Wed Aug 30, 2017 2:20 am

Curious to hear if this group would be in favour of S4 ? I'm personally torn.
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Postby douglasb » Wed Aug 30, 2017 2:27 am

I think the concern would be that they'd do something ridiculous - like put the lead character in a waking coma.
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Postby Aqwell » Wed Aug 30, 2017 2:43 am

sylvia_north wrote:I noticed one song when Mr C kills Ray and in the part 16 driving scene right away.
I was hoping to find the one from the night driving scene of episode 8, and the one with Coop and family at the casino from episode 16. But so far no luck. :(

Here Comes That Bob wrote:Curious to hear if this group would be in favour of S4 ? I'm personally torn.
Nope, never again for me. It's too fucked up to wait every week for a show you know is bad since the first episode. A few good scenes and music can't redeem the whole season.

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Postby boske » Wed Aug 30, 2017 2:55 am

Aqwell wrote:I noticed one song when Mr C kills Ray and in the part 16 driving scene right away. I was hoping to find the one from the night driving scene of episode 8, and the one with Coop and family at the casino from episode 16. But so far no luck. :(

That's apparently song #4 from the soundtrack: "Accident / Farewell Theme by Angelo Badalamenti"
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Postby mlsstwrt » Wed Aug 30, 2017 3:01 am

I couldn't help but watch a S4 but I don't want it.

The musical contributions, whether by Dean Hurley or Badalamenti have just made no impact on me.

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Postby Here Comes That Bob » Wed Aug 30, 2017 3:04 am

mlsstwrt wrote:I couldn't help but watch a S4 but I don't want it.

The musical contributions, whether by Dean Hurley or Badalamenti have just made no impact on me.

There are very few professions where people are better in their 70s than in their 20s to 50s.


Same with me. Morbid curiosity would get the best of me.
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Postby boske » Wed Aug 30, 2017 3:06 am

Here Comes That Bob wrote:Curious to hear if this group would be in favour of S4 ? I'm personally torn.

I'm off the S4 wagon completely. While I'd be happy for it to be there for the fans who have enjoyed TR thus far, I am not going to be watching it. Maybe once it is all done and out on DVD, maybe only then would I watch it, and not right away. I will welcome any new Angelo music for sure even if I do not watch it, so I could definitely go for the soundtracks.

About the music, if you look at the track listings for those two CDs, there are now slots available for just a Julee Cruise song and at most two more pieces from Angelo. That's ok, it should be enough, but that's about it. It is not like we need exclusively new songs for the finale.

Finally, regarding DougieCoop: we have waited for 26 years for this story to be told. And out of 18 hours they get to spend on it, they spend 14 hours teasing us how Dougie is about to wake up. That to me is excessive and a waste of my time that I'd rather have not been exposed to. I have also been very refrained and reserved in not really speaking my mind of what I honestly think of that attitude. I was expecting a serious and a compelling story, not a mockery of its lead character and its audience. Yes, he/they can do it because they can. It does not mean it is a good or a bright idea, and that I'll go completely quiet about it.
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Postby AhmedKhalifa » Wed Aug 30, 2017 3:23 am

As one of the disappointed, I have to say that, for me, ep 16 was, hands down, the best episode of TR so far. Looking at the Dougie saga as a way for Cooper to vicariously make up for the life he missed inside the lodge, makes it somewhat tolerable and even touching in this episode. It doesn't justify most of what took place with Dougie, but the payoff is not as horrible as I expected. Coop's return is moving and thrilling, but it's also strangely abrupt and not as powerful as it should have been. And Diane's and Audrey's scenes are surprisingly ineffective and hokey. THE MC announcing "Audrey's Dance" is way too meta and jarring for me. Why would it be called that in Audrey's reality, whatever that is. That was the title of the piece on the official soundtrack! Very strange choices being made here. And why does the dialogue continue to be so unrealistic and lifeless?
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Postby yaxomoxay » Wed Aug 30, 2017 4:40 am

Here Comes That Bob wrote:Curious to hear if this group would be in favour of S4 ? I'm personally torn.


Yes!
But I am not part of this group, I am just one of the heretics here!! ;)


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Postby mlsstwrt » Wed Aug 30, 2017 4:49 am

yaxomoxay wrote:
Here Comes That Bob wrote:Curious to hear if this group would be in favour of S4 ? I'm personally torn.


Yes!
But I am not part of this group, I am just one of the heretics here!! ;)


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Ha ha you're part of the group even if you're not disappointed.
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Postby yaxomoxay » Wed Aug 30, 2017 5:22 am

IcedOver wrote:
yaxomoxay wrote:We'll find out that Cooper and Audrey are stranded on an island, which is also a sort of purgatory.


Yes, and before he decides to shove off back to the real world, he'll leave Andy in charge by drinking water with him out of the same cup and saying "Now you are like me."


Well, that explains how Andy found the money to pay for the Rolex and the chair: 4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42!


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Postby yaxomoxay » Wed Aug 30, 2017 5:24 am

mlsstwrt wrote:
yaxomoxay wrote:
Here Comes That Bob wrote:Curious to hear if this group would be in favour of S4 ? I'm personally torn.


Yes!
But I am not part of this group, I am just one of the heretics here!! ;)


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Postby AnotherBlueRoseCase » Wed Aug 30, 2017 6:27 am

One last attempt at an interpretation of what’s happened here that doesn’t just conclude it’s a disaster, public nervous breakdown, etc:

The term camp—normally used as an adjective, even though earliest recorded uses employed it mainly as a verb—refers to the deliberate and sophisticated use of kitsch, mawkish or corny themes and styles in art, clothing or conversation. A part of the anti-Academic defense of popular culture in the sixties, camp came to academic prominence in the eighties with the widespread adoption of the Postmodern views on art and culture.
 Much like the closely related notion of kitsch, camp has traditionally been viewed as hard to define. Susan Sontag, in her famous 1964 essay "Notes on 'Camp' ", emphasises artifice, frivolity, and shocking excess as the key notes. While the common use of the concept includes these, usually the element of naïve middle-class pretentiousness is highlighted. Typical examples of this latter use are Carmen Miranda's tutti frutti hats, low-budget science fiction movies of the 1950s and 1960s and the multi-genre pop culture of the 1970s and 1980s.


http://www.people.carleton.edu/~jschott ... g_camp.htm

It’s important to emphasise that nothing is being implied here about homosexuality, which is sometimes mistakenly assumed as necessarily linked to camp.

The original TP was extremely camp at times, but this was more than balanced out by all those unforgettable scenes of terror, pathos, generosity, and so on – sincerity in other words.

So it might be possible to see The Return as Total Camp, an eighteen hour Eurovision Song Contest, camp at the highest macro level right down to almost the molecular, something that has affected almost every artistic choice and scene (we’re back in the deliberate “shoddiness” territory from months ago). The reason The Return feels not just “bad” but comprehensively so is that almost every choice has been informed by a sensibility that celebrates “kitsch, mawkish or corny themes and styles… artifice, frivolity, and shocking excess as the key notes.” Even seeming aesthetic outrages like the entire Dougie “plot” and “resolution” and the (gulp) possibility the whole thing is Audrey’s dream might be understood as examples of Total Camp. “You expected a reason for Coop’s return? How naive.”

The “badness” of this series has always seemed to have a snigger behind it regarding any standard artistic expectations from its audience, and that snigger is precisely the camp sensibility. It’s been mentioned already that friends are watching in a sniggering spirit of so-bad-it’s good, and that it’s likely to be enjoyed by stoners. Stoners sure love camp. So do grad students, and you can guarantee grad students have a higher tolerance for The Return than e.g. binmen.

Because most people don’t like camp, never mind Total Camp. One reason episode 8 has been so widely praised might be because it’s the one episode in which the camp almost disappeared. It’s a largely sincere episode.

All this might also explain why those defending almost every artistic choice as ‘beautiful’, ‘heartbreaking’ and the like really are barking up the wrong tree, and obviously so (in my opinion). But it also might mean I’ve been wrong too in my understanding of the sensibility at play here.

I'm not even saying the above interpretation is correct, mind you, or that Total Camp is admirable. It's just the best I can come up with for now.
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Postby mlsstwrt » Wed Aug 30, 2017 6:32 am

I really like that post ABR. I do feel like sincerity has been missing from TPTR. The original had its fair share of 'campness' as you call it but it was balanced out. FWWM was almost entirely sincere and I loved it.

It sounds paradoxical but TPTR has had a surfeit of nastiness and banal violence but at the same time is missing a darkness that the original had, or a type of darkness at least. The original had Bob and TPTR has Mr C, a kind of supernatural gangster.

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