World of Blue - Archived Forum 2007-2022

Gabriel wrote:There's a hilariously long review of TPTR in the Daily Telegraph which reads as a desperate luvvie attempt to justify not just liking the series, but calling it a 'masterpiece.'

It's got barely any comments on it and you'll have to search for it, because clearly no one's bothered to read it.

And that's the thing with the new show: the original, whether it provoked love or derision, provoked 'water cooler' discussion. This show has provoked discussion on interest group forums and that's it. Any friends I have who are fans laugh about it. The only discussions over beers we've had are about how mental the whole thing has been, how incompetent the whole thing is and how it was ever allowed to be broadcast in the state it was delivered. It's a lesson in not giving someone total creative control.

Most people simply don't care about the show – as a fan of the original and FWWM, my view of Lynch's work has been irrevocably tarnished. My brother, who was a bigger fan than me, ditched the show after part four.

Rather than being seen as some 'great experiment,' at best TPTR will be a minor footnote. As I say, I'm fascinated to read Mark Frost's book, because it might well be the best indication of what the original script was about and of the differences in viewpoints of the two creators.

Metamorphia wrote:

Gabriel wrote:There's a hilariously long review of TPTR in the Daily Telegraph which reads as a desperate luvvie attempt to justify not just liking the series, but calling it a 'masterpiece.'

It's got barely any comments on it and you'll have to search for it, because clearly no one's bothered to read it.

And that's the thing with the new show: the original, whether it provoked love or derision, provoked 'water cooler' discussion. This show has provoked discussion on interest group forums and that's it. Any friends I have who are fans laugh about it. The only discussions over beers we've had are about how mental the whole thing has been, how incompetent the whole thing is and how it was ever allowed to be broadcast in the state it was delivered. It's a lesson in not giving someone total creative control.

Most people simply don't care about the show – as a fan of the original and FWWM, my view of Lynch's work has been irrevocably tarnished. My brother, who was a bigger fan than me, ditched the show after part four.

Rather than being seen as some 'great experiment,' at best TPTR will be a minor footnote. As I say, I'm fascinated to read Mark Frost's book, because it might well be the best indication of what the original script was about and of the differences in viewpoints of the two creators.

How many modern shows do produce "water cooler" discussion though? Game of Thrones? The Walking Dead (maybe in its early seasons)? We live in a world that's so much more saturated now - and given how Twin Peak's time in the public limelight was so fleeting anyway, what made you think a continuation of it (and a continuation of Lynch and Frost's styles and interests 25 years on) would see it be anything but what it is now?

It will only be seen as a "minor footnote" in your angry view of all those who seem to like it. It's been received very well and will likely only grow in its critical appreciation, no matter how you try to demean those who hold opposing views to your own. Whether you reply or whether you're on another of your endless forum exile/return cycles I don't know.

AgentEcho wrote:Question for the profoundly disappointed: Would you have preferred an alternate scenario for the revival that was more akin to the current iteration of the Star Wars franchise, where a media company basically purchases the rights to the franchise and hires filmmakers who were fans of the original to continue the story forward (without input from the original creators), in which the primary creative goal is to please the fans?

AgentEcho wrote:Question for the profoundly disappointed: Would you have preferred an alternate scenario for the revival that was more akin to the current iteration of the Star Wars franchise, where a media company basically purchases the rights to the franchise and hires filmmakers who were fans of the original to continue the story forward (without input from the original creators), in which the primary creative goal is to please the fans?

AgentEcho wrote:Question for the profoundly disappointed: Would you have preferred an alternate scenario for the revival that was more akin to the current iteration of the Star Wars franchise, where a media company basically purchases the rights to the franchise and hires filmmakers who were fans of the original to continue the story forward (without input from the original creators), in which the primary creative goal is to please the fans?

AgentEcho wrote:Rialto, you are pulling things out of a simple question that aren't there. It's a genuine question because most Star Wars fans seem perfectly happy with how things have unfolded with that franchise (maybe the recent spate of firings have caused alarm).

AgentEcho wrote:Question for the profoundly disappointed: Would you have preferred an alternate scenario for the revival that was more akin to the current iteration of the Star Wars franchise, where a media company basically purchases the rights to the franchise and hires filmmakers who were fans of the original to continue the story forward (without input from the original creators), in which the primary creative goal is to please the fans?

referendum wrote:this is the thing that has confused me about this group. there is a sensible conversation going on then suddenly someone mentions star wars. Is the point here that the first three star wars films were great then the re - run was a total pile of shit which only fans would have any interest in? Is this the comparison? Same with Alien. THe first ones were great and covenant was a giant steaming pile of bollocks.

Are you guys really trying to compare TP 3 to these relaunches of hollywood blockbusters?

referendum wrote:this is the thing that has confused me about this group. there is a sensible conversation going on then suddenly someone mentions star wars. Is the point here that the first three star wars films were great then the re - run was a total pile of shit which only fans would have any interest in? Is this the comparison? Same with Alien. THe first ones were great and covenant was a giant steaming pile of bollocks.

Are you guys really trying to compare TP 3 to these relaunches of hollywood blockbusters?

AhmedKhalifa wrote:
I don't know about Frost's upcoming book. TSHOTP was a grand disappointment to me. It went on and on about Lewis and Clark, Crowley, and Owl-like men, and most of the book was actually about Douglas Milford's adventures investigating UFOs! Twin Peaks got the short end of the stick. I think Frost is guilty of the same thing Lynch is with TPTR: Each basically used the brand name of TP to pursue their own obsessions and interests and sell it under the name of the only mass marketable product either of them was ever involved with. Whether they like it or not, TP is what they will both be forever known for in the eyes of the public, and they both know that. Lynch piggybacked on the popularity and prestige of the original series to basically make an 18 hour love letter to himself and things that turn him on, packaging it all as a continuation of TP, when, in truth, it was hardly that at all. It is at best a spin-off, in which the original characters didn't behave like themselves, or like human beings, for that matter. And Frost used TPs popularity to write a book that waxed poetic about his interest in boring X-Files types shenanigans, with only less than half the book about the residents of TP and their stories. Case in point: How's Annie???