BGate wrote:I read that thread and nearly every single example is not a "reference to Lynch's work", it's either a major stretch or just someone saying "Hey, it was probably unintentional, but this kinda reminded me of this." The fact that you wield that thread as some kind of hammer of empirical evidence in lieu of making an argument yourself is quite telling.
You can spin it however you wish, but that thread exists
. That's what my last post was about, to drag discussion back to consensual reality. Surely even you would not deny that that thread exists (It exists in a parallel dimension? Something to do with quantum mechanics?). Such a thing exists for very few if any other TV dramas.
That TR is unusually nostalgic about the writer-director's own career is hardly news. After hundreds of pages of this thread this is the first sustained denial of such nostalgia, even from fans who've been posting here all along, and the reason for this seems obvious: the juxtaposition of this nostalgia with the show's (twitch) equivocal treatment of nostalgia is artistically disastrous.
We might even view the suddenness and desperation of these denials as acknowledging how damaging this juxtaposition is, so poor artistically that it must be denied no matter what. And yeah, they're right, it is indeed disastrous, as bad in its own way as BOB vs Green Glove, the erasure of Laura's murder, the 'it was all a dream' garbage, or 'Not [soft] where it counts, buddy'. I myself winced on Lynch's behalf when it was pointed out to me.
But if that thread’s existence doesn’t do the trick for you, let’s aim for consensual reality another way. Presumably you’ve read upthread the question put to Lynch by an admirer:
JENSEN: It seemed like we encountered so much of you in this show. We felt like we saw allusions to other films, implied, implicit. Were you reflecting a lot on your life and your work while you were making this?
Can we agree that question actually exists in our universe? It’s really real. Its existence cannot be denied.
Good. So my question once again (third time I’ve asked it): would you personally make a TV show like this?:
– (Theme) Make nostalgia a prominent issue and have many pivotal moments that are anti-nostalgic.
– (Execution) Make the show in a such a way that journalists ended up asking you questions like the one above. [And dugpa had a thread about the same thing].
It’s an extremely simple thought experiment to test whether TR defenders would put their money/credibility where their mouths are. If there’s nothing wrong with Lynch doing the above then there should be no problem whatsoever saying you’d do the same. You can copy and paste this, if you like:I would be proud to put my name to such a show. YES/NO.
Would you still be saying that if the exact same show had been made by Tarantino?