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Postby yaxomoxay » Fri Apr 13, 2018 8:37 am

NormoftheAndes wrote:Yaxomoxay -

I associate 'its in our house now' more with the Palmer house, if it has to be linked to a specific location. But what I mean is that the abuse that happened in that house in Twin Peaks has moved into the Lodge and the trauma it caused has created manifold effects in there and the real world. Everything in season 3 feels wrong, like things have just gone haywire and out of control. I link this back to the atomic bomb explosion and how that was an abuse of mankind's ability to tamper with reality - that seemed to be one point where things started to really go wrong.

In terms of the red door and Dougie, there must be something to that. Dougie seems to be innocent, like a 'white lodge' being who just brings goodness and rewards to those in need - so that is one contrast against the hopelessness and depressing reality we see elsewhere in the season.


Oh absolutely, there is no question that “it’s in our house now” is linked to the Palmer house.

I am just wondering if there is an additional link between the red door and the Lodge(s) as a whole. For some reason, the red door makes me think of the story of the Three Little Pigs. Once Cooper enters the Lodge through the red drapes (soft material) he’s vulnerable, in fear, and almost destroyed as a being.
Once Cooper steps in the house through the Red Door (hard material), he’s safe, happy, protected (by Janey-E), and almost invincible.



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Postby Robin Davies » Fri Apr 13, 2018 11:26 am

Regarding the red door - it's odd that one of the few sudden, non-vegetative things that Dougie does is gasp with surprise when he first sees the red door.
I always wondered why.
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Postby LateReg » Fri Apr 13, 2018 12:24 pm

Robin Davies wrote:Regarding the red door - it's odd that one of the few sudden, non-vegetative things that Dougie does is gasp with surprise when he first sees the red door.
I always wondered why.


Does he gasp at the red door, or is he gasping at the driver suddenly appearing to open the car door? It's not quite clear but my interpretation had always been that his gasp is comedic...how did that driver guy get all the way over here?!?! But I simply hadn't thought of him gasping at the red door, which he very well may be.
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Postby NormoftheAndes » Fri Apr 13, 2018 5:33 pm

Dougie is just surprised at the door of the car being opened, that's all. It takes him by surprise - as if he's lost in a daydream. Which he is right? :)
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Postby Robin Davies » Sat Apr 14, 2018 8:11 am

NormoftheAndes wrote:Dougie is just surprised at the door of the car being opened, that's all. It takes him by surprise - as if he's lost in a daydream. Which he is right? :)
He gasps before the car door is opened. So he's either reacting to the sight of the red door or to the appearance of the driver who is about to open the door. I think it's more likely that he is reacting to the red door.
And it is very unusual.
Nearly everything else Dougie does is to simply react very slowly to what is going on around him and repeat actions and words. If I remember right, the only other time he reacts quickly is when Ike tries to shoot him.
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Postby mtwentz » Sat Apr 14, 2018 8:20 am

yaxomoxay wrote:
NormoftheAndes wrote:Yaxomoxay -

I associate 'its in our house now' more with the Palmer house, if it has to be linked to a specific location. But what I mean is that the abuse that happened in that house in Twin Peaks has moved into the Lodge and the trauma it caused has created manifold effects in there and the real world. Everything in season 3 feels wrong, like things have just gone haywire and out of control. I link this back to the atomic bomb explosion and how that was an abuse of mankind's ability to tamper with reality - that seemed to be one point where things started to really go wrong.

In terms of the red door and Dougie, there must be something to that. Dougie seems to be innocent, like a 'white lodge' being who just brings goodness and rewards to those in need - so that is one contrast against the hopelessness and depressing reality we see elsewhere in the season.


Oh absolutely, there is no question that “it’s in our house now” is linked to the Palmer house.

I am just wondering if there is an additional link between the red door and the Lodge(s) as a whole. For some reason, the red door makes me think of the story of the Three Little Pigs. Once Cooper enters the Lodge through the red drapes (soft material) he’s vulnerable, in fear, and almost destroyed as a being.
Once Cooper steps in the house through the Red Door (hard material), he’s safe, happy, protected (by Janey-E), and almost invincible.



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I think there are multiple levels of interpretation, but 'It is in our house now' and 'it all cannot be said aloud now' scream to me of sexual abuse. So one interpretation I've been playing with is that, since Laura was created from The Firemen's thoughts, the Fireman is channeling Laura's feelings at this moment.

The other thought I have is that The Fireman is channeling Carrie Page. Obviously, some type of abuse appears to be going on in the Page household, which we never hear the details of, but which probably led to Carrie killing her abuser.
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Postby NormoftheAndes » Sun Apr 15, 2018 4:02 am

Robin Davies wrote:
NormoftheAndes wrote:Dougie is just surprised at the door of the car being opened, that's all. It takes him by surprise - as if he's lost in a daydream. Which he is right? :)
He gasps before the car door is opened. So he's either reacting to the sight of the red door or to the appearance of the driver who is about to open the door. I think it's more likely that he is reacting to the red door.
And it is very unusual.
Nearly everything else Dougie does is to simply react very slowly to what is going on around him and repeat actions and words. If I remember right, the only other time he reacts quickly is when Ike tries to shoot him.


Yes he is just surprised by the driver suddenly appearing there to open his door. I see everything in Dougie's world as being within a dream - don't you? The red door makes sense as a hint at the lodge within that.
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Postby NormoftheAndes » Sun Apr 15, 2018 4:03 am

mtwentz wrote:
yaxomoxay wrote:
NormoftheAndes wrote:Yaxomoxay -

I associate 'its in our house now' more with the Palmer house, if it has to be linked to a specific location. But what I mean is that the abuse that happened in that house in Twin Peaks has moved into the Lodge and the trauma it caused has created manifold effects in there and the real world. Everything in season 3 feels wrong, like things have just gone haywire and out of control. I link this back to the atomic bomb explosion and how that was an abuse of mankind's ability to tamper with reality - that seemed to be one point where things started to really go wrong.

In terms of the red door and Dougie, there must be something to that. Dougie seems to be innocent, like a 'white lodge' being who just brings goodness and rewards to those in need - so that is one contrast against the hopelessness and depressing reality we see elsewhere in the season.


Oh absolutely, there is no question that “it’s in our house now” is linked to the Palmer house.

I am just wondering if there is an additional link between the red door and the Lodge(s) as a whole. For some reason, the red door makes me think of the story of the Three Little Pigs. Once Cooper enters the Lodge through the red drapes (soft material) he’s vulnerable, in fear, and almost destroyed as a being.
Once Cooper steps in the house through the Red Door (hard material), he’s safe, happy, protected (by Janey-E), and almost invincible.



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I think there are multiple levels of interpretation, but 'It is in our house now' and 'it all cannot be said aloud now' scream to me of sexual abuse. So one interpretation I've been playing with is that, since Laura was created from The Firemen's thoughts, the Fireman is channeling Laura's feelings at this moment.

The other thought I have is that The Fireman is channeling Carrie Page. Obviously, some type of abuse appears to be going on in the Page household, which we never hear the details of, but which probably led to Carrie killing her abuser.


Absolutely. Carrie also talks about trying to keep a clean house.
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Postby Gabriel » Sun Apr 22, 2018 4:18 pm

Hey folks! Long time. Sorry to see some of my remarks were shared on other fora without my knowledge. I’d naively assumed that what was posted here stayed among friends; if I’d have been asked, I’d have willingly written proper articles open for criticism.

It’s been a while and I guess I’d stayed away as things were too heated and real world events like recent serious illness in my family took precedent. Anyway, I’d like to thank everyone for generally being so nice and people with whom I’ve sometimes differed in opinion, such as the very kind Mr Reindeer, for looking out for me.

Being ‘profoundly disappointed’ comes from a deep love of past works, rather than an outright contempt for the source material, which I’d spent years defending. As time has gone by and real life has become more dramatic than fiction, I’ve relaxed about what is at the end of the day just a TV show.

I know it’s been a while but I want to wish everyone the best. Take care, folks. :)
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Postby Audrey Horne » Sun Apr 22, 2018 8:26 pm

You’re the best, Gabriel!
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Postby mtwentz » Mon Apr 23, 2018 9:52 am

Gabriel wrote:Hey folks! Long time. Sorry to see some of my remarks were shared on other fora without my knowledge. I’d naively assumed that what was posted here stayed among friends; if I’d have been asked, I’d have willingly written proper articles open for criticism.

It’s been a while and I guess I’d stayed away as things were too heated and real world events like recent serious illness in my family took precedent. Anyway, I’d like to thank everyone for generally being so nice and people with whom I’ve sometimes differed in opinion, such as the very kind Mr Reindeer, for looking out for me.

Being ‘profoundly disappointed’ comes from a deep love of past works, rather than an outright contempt for the source material, which I’d spent years defending. As time has gone by and real life has become more dramatic than fiction, I’ve relaxed about what is at the end of the day just a TV show.

I know it’s been a while but I want to wish everyone the best. Take care, folks. :)


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Postby Mr. Strawberry » Fri May 04, 2018 9:18 am

Leaving the store the other day and heading back to the car, I suddenly thought about Twin Peaks and immediately felt sad. It dawned on me how ridiculous the very concept is. It's just a show! Yet storytelling is such an important part of our lives, and our favorite story has gone bad, so maybe it makes sense. In any case, I feel an emptiness and an unfulfilled desire every time I remember The Return.

Posting this because I think it highlights how incredibly good the original show was, and how strongly we're attached to the story and characters. The fact that I'm still internally revisiting how weak and fragmented the new season was is a testament to how fiction can affect us when we choose to let go and get lost in a dream.
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Postby Kilmoore » Fri May 04, 2018 9:52 am

Mr. Strawberry wrote:Leaving the store the other day and heading back to the car, I suddenly thought about Twin Peaks and immediately felt sad. It dawned on me how ridiculous the very concept is. It's just a show! Yet storytelling is such an important part of our lives, and our favorite story has gone bad, so maybe it makes sense. In any case, I feel an emptiness and an unfulfilled desire every time I remember The Return.

Posting this because I think it highlights how incredibly good the original show was, and how strongly we're attached to the story and characters. The fact that I'm still internally revisiting how weak and fragmented the new season was is a testament to how fiction can affect us when we choose to let go and get lost in a dream.

I understand completely. I still get this "Oh yeah, Twin Peaks is a thing."-flash every now and then. And what used to be excitement, mystery and a completely unique mood, is now marred with lackluster plot, a fraud and sense of uselessness. It's such a shame. Maybe I'll eventually be able to ignore the terrible mess that is S3 and focus on the good memories again.
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Postby krishnanspace » Tue May 08, 2018 4:27 am

In case ,a Season 4 was announced and it is in line with the Original Run in terms of tone,pace,atmosphere,characters etc ,would you people watch it?
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Postby PeaksCarnivaleLost » Tue May 08, 2018 6:51 am

krishnanspace wrote:In case ,a Season 4 was announced and it is in line with the Original Run in terms of tone,pace,atmosphere,characters etc ,would you people watch it?



I would watch it no matter what. It would still be better than 90% of shows.
And i wouldn't have expectations like for S3.

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