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First scene of ep. 1, the Giant tells Coop to remember 430. In ep. 5, we repeatedly are told Coop has $425,000 in casino wins. I'm guessing he needs an extra $5k to pay off whatever Dougie's family's debt is. No idea who Richard or Linda could be beyond maybe people who could help him.
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Still on #TeamTremonds for the little boy (Sawyer Shipman) and Drugged-Out Mother (Hailey Gates) at Rancho Rosa.
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timeandtide wrote:First scene of ep. 1, the Giant tells Coop to remember 430. In ep. 5, we repeatedly are told Coop has $425,000 in casino wins. I'm guessing he needs an extra $5k to pay off whatever Dougie's family's debt is. No idea who Richard or Linda could be beyond maybe people who could help him.
His wife said they needed $50K to pay off the debt.

(of course since he didn't take care of it, the cost will now be higher; and, oh yeah, he now needs a new car) :lol:
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Interesting thoughts on Richard Horne's parentage.

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Our Audrey will kill me, but like LostInTheMovies I really do want Richard to be Audrey's. I think it would be the kind of horrible shock Lynch specializes in.
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timeandtide wrote:In ep. 5, we repeatedly are told Coop has $425,000 in casino wins. I'm guessing he needs an extra $5k to pay off whatever Dougie's family's debt is.
In which case, Janey-E doesn't know this, else she probably wouldn't be so reassured.
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I thought Janey said they owed 50K.
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AgentEcho wrote:Why is the only glass box image Tammy Preston has to show Cole and Albert a single frame of the creature? Did the equipment not capture Cooper moments before?
I think that's why they hired Sam to watch the box - a machine couldn't 'see' Coop, it needed a human mind to do that. ref. Lost Highway / FWWM Philip Jefferies CCTV. If Sam hadn't been distracted he would have seen Coop and rescued him from inter-dimensional horror. However, I think someone hired Tracey to distract Sam (she's more interested in the room than her soon to be lover, who she is rather formal with), so Coop would fall and instead swap places with Dougie. Perhaps the demon that followed was summoned by their netflix and chill.
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Rewatched 1-4 before viewing ep 5 last night.

I'm starting to notice more and more scenes that appear to have been reversed. In addition to the ones already mentioned on the board, in the Beulah scene, check out when Otis glances around the room and looks over at the wheel chair guy and the long-haired giant.
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Okay, bit of speculation on how they'll deal with the Philip Jeffries situation assuming Bowie didn't film anything in secret (which I'm still holding out hope for, but realise it's not overly likely).

It seems as if Lynch is somewhat unwilling to recast this season (working around both Michael Ontkean and Michael J Anderson not being here). We've all speculated that the monkey in FWWM is supposed to represent what Jeffries became in the end because of his involvement with the lodge. But what if he is represented by an actual monkey? It could work in well considering we saw it in the scene above the convenience store, maybe THAT in the end will be what represents Philip being there to witness what he saw there.

Some might think of it to be in bad taste to recast a legend like him with a monkey, but in my mind since it works with what we've already seen I'd prefer it over a recast.

EDIT: After posting this something hit me too. If that was supposed to be Jeffries on the phone with Cooper in episode 2 it works as well. Remember it's been speculated that the Tremond/Chalfont boy is supposed to represent Leland because of the "man behind the mask" quote? "The man behind the mask" could be whomever Bob is at whatever point in time, so it could be possible that Bob was in him at one point and thus he wants to "be with Bob again". We saw the young Tremond remove the mask in the convenience store scene to reveal the monkey (Jeffries). Since it's very ambiguous exactly what time period he's in during the Beunos Aires scene and the Lodge's ability to trancend space/time it might very well mean that he went to the <2014, witnessed the convenience store scene and became possessed by Bob some time afterwards.
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Wondering if Harry Truman being sick has anything to do with being in close proximity to DoppleCoop?

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Richard Horne seems pretty evil, so I'm wondering if bad Coop and Audrey had a child or two? Richard and Linda?
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OK. An idea...

Where Leland was concerned, 'good' Leland had been corrupted by BOB (as the 'shadow' Leland stated, 'I did not kill anybody,' presumably because 'shadow' Leland had never left the Black Lodge.) Good Leland killed Teresa Banks.

There was little of the good Leland left in the end, because BOB had pretty much devoured good Leland's soul and had to control Leland's body himself – killing Laura burnt up most of what was left of good Leland and BOB himself killed Maddy. BOB was close to corrupting 'good' Laura (her shadow self never leaving the Lodge) as well: one assumes Laura/BOB would have orchestrated Leland's death once he'd taken over Laura. BOB clearly relishes corrupting the good versions of people, perhaps more than sending out shadow versions.

Dale's 'possession' is different: Dale's shadow self is in control, due to his taking over in the Black Lodge incident, and BOB is more of a 'familiar' along for the ride, perhaps feeding off the Garmonbozia parasitically.

The Lodge inhabitants seem to be helping good Coop escape, perhaps because evil Coop has become too powerful and has effectively subsumed BOB (fake 'Jeffries'' remark about wanting to be with BOB again on evil Coop's radio.) Maybe BOB is now trapped with evil Coop, meaning evil Coop is now a powerful threat to the Lodges too.

So there are two forms of 'possessions:' one is where a person of imperfect courage enters the Black Lodge and a shadow version takes over. The shadow version is then sucked back in approximately quarter of a century later when the stars align. The other is where BOB directly corrupts a good version of a person, maybe because the Lodges only open periodically and no one is drawn in (maybe Indian rituals involved offering people as sacrifices until the modern world caused them to cease.)
In that case, across the quarter century, BOB feeds on corrupted good people until they're little more than a husk, then kills them. Thus we never see a manifestation of good Leland in the Black Lodge in FWWM (we see an emaciated version screaming around the point of Laura's murder) because there's nothing left.

Anyway, you asked for ideas. Hope the above isn't too dreadful!! ;)
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Concerning the possibility of Dougie's world being an alternate one Cooper was reborn in, spoilers for a certain night of filming:
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Cooper was reborn, so was Laura, they regain their souls and by divine fate end up together and make it back to Twin Peaks. They arrive at her home expecting to meet Sarah, only to be greeted by an old couple who've always lived there and the entire thing is not right. This would be the point of discovery for being reborn in the wrong place. Time run afoul, things affecting one another back and forth.
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