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Connections to TSHOTP (SPOILERS)

Posted: Wed May 24, 2017 8:55 pm
by dreamshake
I wanted to keep this out of the main TSHOTP thread so we didn't have to spoiler tag everything. Anyways, list direct connections or things that reminded you of the novel.

Some direct connections:
Tamara Preston
Mention of Briggs meeting Bad Coop by Bobby
The entity in the box in NYC and in FL with Dougie and Nixon are similar
Wally Brando mentioning Lewis & Clark and the first caucasians to set foot around Twin Peaks

I am wondering if the Log's message to Hawk will have anything to do with the Nez Pearce and Chief Joseph. Also the Box entity's attack reminded me of the razor wounds Lewis suffered when he was murdered, even though he suffered gun shot wounds too.

Re: Connections to TSHOTP (SPOILERS)

Posted: Wed May 31, 2017 4:20 pm
by kornishpyxee
I was wondering if the "Cooper...Cooper...Cooper" message that Briggs got from Listening Post Alpha (also part of original series, season 1?) was a warning that there would actually be 3 Coopers--Cooper, COOPER, and Dougie.

Jenn (kornishpyxee)

Re: Connections to TSHOTP (SPOILERS)

Posted: Wed May 31, 2017 5:27 pm
by mtwentz
Jacoby not being a doctor anymore.

Re: Connections to TSHOTP (SPOILERS)

Posted: Wed May 31, 2017 5:34 pm
by Mr. Reindeer
mtwentz wrote:Jacoby not being a doctor anymore.


But he's still credited as "Dr. Lawrence Jacoby"! Is it possible his psychiatry license was revoked but he'a still technically an MD?

I wonder how Mark's reveal of Frank Truman, hints at Briggs's fate, etc. in the book meshed with the NDA. I guess tie-in materials fall into the same santion-free zone as promos?

Re: Connections to TSHOTP (SPOILERS)

Posted: Wed May 31, 2017 7:10 pm
by mtwentz
Mr. Reindeer wrote:
mtwentz wrote:Jacoby not being a doctor anymore.


But he's still credited as "Dr. Lawrence Jacoby"! Is it possible his psychiatry license was revoked but he'a still technically an MD?

I wonder how Mark's reveal of Frank Truman, hints at Briggs's fate, etc. in the book meshed with the NDA. I guess tie-in materials fall into the same santion-free zone as promos?


Hmmm, that could be I suppose. And the show does not actually say he's not a doctor or psychiatrist anymore, but one might infer that given his living conditions and how he seems to be spending his time.

Re: Connections to TSHOTP (SPOILERS)

Posted: Thu Jun 01, 2017 9:29 am
by Soolsma
kornishpyxee wrote:I was wondering if the "Cooper...Cooper...Cooper" message that Briggs got from Listening Post Alpha (also part of original series, season 1?) was a warning that there would actually be 3 Coopers--Cooper, COOPER, and Dougie.

Jenn (kornishpyxee)


Been wondering that too. Thing is, the major says Cooper three times but on the paper there are more than three /COOPER/'s printed.

Re: Connections to TSHOTP (SPOILERS)

Posted: Thu Jun 01, 2017 11:32 am
by dronerstone
Soolsma wrote:
kornishpyxee wrote:I was wondering if the "Cooper...Cooper...Cooper" message that Briggs got from Listening Post Alpha (also part of original series, season 1?) was a warning that there would actually be 3 Coopers--Cooper, COOPER, and Dougie.

Jenn (kornishpyxee)


Been wondering that too. Thing is, the major says Cooper three times but on the paper there are more than three /COOPER/'s printed.


I always thought it was a reverse time thing echoing Briggs looking for Cooper (and calling out his name) in the woods, hence a non-linear thing, which would fit well. a mirror image that comes in BEFORE the original, from "beyond".

Re: Connections to TSHOTP (SPOILERS)

Posted: Thu Jun 01, 2017 8:34 pm
by Jasper
dronerstone wrote:I always thought it was a reverse time thing echoing Briggs looking for Cooper (and calling out his name) in the woods, hence a non-linear thing, which would fit well. a mirror image that comes in BEFORE the original, from "beyond".


I somewhat doubt this was the intent of the creators, given how much they were making things up as they went along, but I like this idea, and it's certainly not out of the realm of possibility.

Re: Connections to TSHOTP (SPOILERS)

Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2017 12:52 am
by laughingpinecone
Mr. Reindeer wrote:
mtwentz wrote:Jacoby not being a doctor anymore.


But he's still credited as "Dr. Lawrence Jacoby"! Is it possible his psychiatry license was revoked but he'a still technically an MD?

I wonder how Mark's reveal of Frank Truman, hints at Briggs's fate, etc. in the book meshed with the NDA. I guess tie-in materials fall into the same santion-free zone as promos?

In the same vein as Coop still being credited as "Special Agent Dale Cooper" I suppose? It's curious because the credits are otherwise very careful about updating character details ("Lucy Brennan") and eliding spoilers ("??????", "Shelly")...

Re: Connections to TSHOTP (SPOILERS)

Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2017 1:13 am
by dronerstone
Jasper wrote:
dronerstone wrote:I always thought it was a reverse time thing echoing Briggs looking for Cooper (and calling out his name) in the woods, hence a non-linear thing, which would fit well. a mirror image that comes in BEFORE the original, from "beyond".


I somewhat doubt this was the intent of the creators, given how much they were making things up as they went along, but I like this idea, and it's certainly not out of the realm of possibility.


Yup, right on! I guess a lot of the old show was written coincidentally and quasi made up in reverse, on the spot. Like Lynch often said, things kinda fell into place perfectly.

Re: Connections to TSHOTP (SPOILERS)

Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2017 7:28 am
by Mr. Reindeer
laughingpinecone wrote:
Mr. Reindeer wrote:
mtwentz wrote:Jacoby not being a doctor anymore.


But he's still credited as "Dr. Lawrence Jacoby"! Is it possible his psychiatry license was revoked but he'a still technically an MD?

I wonder how Mark's reveal of Frank Truman, hints at Briggs's fate, etc. in the book meshed with the NDA. I guess tie-in materials fall into the same santion-free zone as promos?

In the same vein as Coop still being credited as "Special Agent Dale Cooper" I suppose? It's curious because the credits are otherwise very careful about updating character details ("Lucy Brennan") and eliding spoilers ("??????", "Shelly")...


But oddly enough, Gordon also refers to Coop by his title in-show ("Ladies and gentlemen, I am going to speak now to Special Agent Dale Cooper"). Maybe because the title is so much a part of Coop's personality/identity? Or DKL just really likes saying it?

Re: Connections to TSHOTP (SPOILERS)

Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2017 8:29 am
by mtwentz
Mr. Reindeer wrote:
laughingpinecone wrote:
Mr. Reindeer wrote:
But he's still credited as "Dr. Lawrence Jacoby"! Is it possible his psychiatry license was revoked but he'a still technically an MD?

I wonder how Mark's reveal of Frank Truman, hints at Briggs's fate, etc. in the book meshed with the NDA. I guess tie-in materials fall into the same santion-free zone as promos?

In the same vein as Coop still being credited as "Special Agent Dale Cooper" I suppose? It's curious because the credits are otherwise very careful about updating character details ("Lucy Brennan") and eliding spoilers ("??????", "Shelly")...


But oddly enough, Gordon also refers to Coop by his title in-show ("Ladies and gentlemen, I am going to speak now to Special Agent Dale Cooper"). Maybe because the title is so much a part of Coop's personality/identity? Or DKL just really likes saying it?


Do we know for a fact Coop was terminated from the FBI? Maybe there was a hint of truth in Coop working undercover..

Re: Connections to TSHOTP (SPOILERS)

Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2017 8:40 am
by Saturn's child
If I recall correctly, it is 7 question marks for Struycken's name -- ???????

Re: Connections to TSHOTP (SPOILERS)

Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2017 8:41 am
by Saturn's child
(sorry to be a stickler, but I'm a 7 kind of person, so I notice these things)

Re: Connections to TSHOTP (SPOILERS)

Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2017 8:52 am
by laughingpinecone
mtwentz wrote:
Mr. Reindeer wrote:
laughingpinecone wrote:In the same vein as Coop still being credited as "Special Agent Dale Cooper" I suppose? It's curious because the credits are otherwise very careful about updating character details ("Lucy Brennan") and eliding spoilers ("??????", "Shelly")...


But oddly enough, Gordon also refers to Coop by his title in-show ("Ladies and gentlemen, I am going to speak now to Special Agent Dale Cooper"). Maybe because the title is so much a part of Coop's personality/identity? Or DKL just really likes saying it?


Do we know for a fact Coop was terminated from the FBI? Maybe there was a hint of truth in Coop working undercover..

The pertinent facts so far, to the best of my recollection:
    TSHOTP clearly states he's off the active roster.
    Also TSHOTP states there are classified files on him and Briggs following the end of the dossier, so he may not be as off the grid as a lot of characters think.
    Doppelcoop uses a FBI login.
    Gordon does not contradict him when he says the undercover thing, although Tammy later disproves some details of that claim.
We'll see soon enough how these all come together, I guess

(My friends and I have declared that he could count as an agent of the Lodge at the moment, and he's most certainly a very special boy, so 'special agent' checks out anyway. There, solved it)

Saturn's child wrote:If I recall correctly, it is 7 question marks for Struycken's name -- ???????

Probably meaningful, yeah!