Troubbble wrote:My personal belief is that all human beings deserve fair and equal treatment, regardless of differences in race, gender, or sexuality. I also tend to think this is the mindset of nearly everyone participating in the discussion of this show. With that being said, these beliefs don't preclude someone like me from thinking that the continuing focus on gender issues and representation in the show is not particularly interesting--nor is it really even appropriate, without seeing the complete picture being painted in The Return.
It makes as much sense to me as it would to critically analyze Fire Walk With Me having only seen the first half of the movie.
OK - "Without seeing the complete picture" - THIS is fair. Someone, on the other thread (I think it was Cipher), talked about part 10 being upsetting "in a vacuum" specifically. It remains to be seen what'll come of it.
Just a few points from the new guy, most of this has been addressed....
1) I am beyond astonished that ANYONE could think that a discussion of gendered violence is somehow "off topic" in a show about the repeated rape and murder of a teenage girl.
Without gendered violence, there is no Twin Peaks,
without discussing gendered violence, there is no discussion of Twin Peaks
... unless the only things you find interesting about the show are coffee and pie, silent drape runners, and dancing dwarves. Particularly in part 10, violence against women IS the plot. Miriam, Becky, Sylvia... Candie's Stockholmesque behavior opens doors to questions; Carl Rodd - someone good enough to see the pure soul of a dead child ascend (probably/maybe - this wasn't exactly "explained") - didn't intervene in a scene of domestic abuse: "you wanna know who killed Laura? You did! We all did"
2) I read every post on the episode thread. It's possible I missed something... but in this case it's not likely, because I know how people operate.
Even those most hostile to the scenes of violence in the episode said how THEY did not like how it was portrayed. Not once did a single poster EVER
suggest that Lynch should not have been "allowed" to show it, or that he and Frost should not have been allowed to script it. No, once again, the ONLY people calling for censorship were those crying about "SJWs" if it didn't happen time and time again, it'd be noteworthy; instead it's just tiresome. 100% agreed w/Mr. Reindeer that it's a damn shame there has to be a separate thread - that anyone considers gendered violence in THAT hour to be off topic raises the question as to whether they even watched the show. But yeah, admins were in a catch-22, with probably dozens of people whining to them that others dared to actually discuss the show....
3) Part 10 is my favorite episode so far. Yep. Even with all the abuse. Because I see a point to it, I think it's going somewhere. I am trusting Lynch and Frost to tell this story. I don't think the women harmed in this part suffered in vain (yes, I'm aware they are fictional characters
), I think we're gonna see something more from Becky, maybe from Sylvia - and even poor Miriam might have a measure of comfort to come. I don't think there were any accidents in this show. The rapeyness of the Dougie/Janey-E scene was intentional - she didn't know he was... um, "compromised," he didn't know he wasn't actually her husband (which in turn would've made him a rapist by fraud) - I think this was a very deliberately scripted and shot almost-hour, that Coopie and Janey-E absolutely without the least intent
did violence to each other, and despite that, ended the scene in a loving embrace, both much more joyful than they started. That Carl permitted violence to continue, that Johnny wanted, more than anything, to stop the brutal attack on his mom, but physically couldn't
intervene.... It was not an easy
part to watch; but I truly think that it WAS done respectfully and responsibly. Some people disagree, and that's fine - we won't really know where we stand until it's over.