Gender in Twin Peaks: The Return

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Some key parts of Diana Hume George's "Lynching Women" from David Lavery's Filled With Secrets 1995 (she opens stating what an obsessed superfan she was and is emphatic that she doesn't support or condone censorship :)

The crucial difference between Twin Peaks and simple trash was not beauty. Rather it had to do with parody, irony, laughter. We laughed at the punchline, forgetting the premise. Ironic humor was sufficiently embedded in the text that the whole country treated the matter of sexual murder with light, airy, morbid fascination and with openly misogynistic humor [insert gallows jokes from Esquire's coverage and its editor.] The joke builds on an unspeakable violence toward women, even toward children in the form of adolescent girls trussed up as sexually cynical adults.

But perhaps we were laughing in the wrong place? Or perhaps we were only supposed to be deeply moved by the plight of the victims of whacked out psychopaths? Against the possibility of a reading that would point to subversive purposes (such as deconstructing sexist responses on the part of viewers,) I will take a close look at the men and women of Twin Peaks [season1.]

Among the male characters are surely many bad guys (Ben and Jerry, Leo, Jacques, sometimes Bobby et al). But the series is chock full of good guys, who even when they are comic or relatively powerless are trustworthy, acted decently and command viewer respect as well as affection.

Now the women. First we have the victims or murder and/or rape and mutilation, Laura and Ronnette, high school kids on crack with jaded perspectives and promiscuous sex lives. Laura actively participates in her own corruption and is the cause of fall in others. Leading the bordello is Blackie.. Catherine is a grasping bitch about to go bad in the teeth. Audrey is sexually advanced, 18 going on 40.

Among the girls in white hats one could include the dubious Audrey, but only to a limited extent. Two of the women are physically maimed or handicapped, Nadina and Donna's mother. Nadine is bonkers as well as missing an eye... Margaret the Log Lady is a gifted prophetess but she is also out to lunch. We are treated to vivid suggestive scenes of Shelley's beatings and bondage. All Laura's mother does is cry. Audrey's mother begins cold and hysterical and then disappears. Lucy is wonderful but she is confined to comic relief. Who does this leave among the women. Is anyone out there vaguely in charge of herself, not a victim, not crazy and not corrupt?

There is Maddie, Laura's cousin/double, the parodical innocent who helps the series up the sexual ante by becoming another murder victim. At first there is Josie, who could do double duty for affirmative action as a minority, but she becomes involved in murder and blackmail and later shoots Coop, the crazy bitch. So who does this leave? Donna? Sweet but hardly in charge and underdeveloped as a character. Is it Peggy Lipton's Norma who finally bears the burden of being the only adult woman in the series who remains strong, nobody's fool and maybe only one man's victim?

It's the Blue Velvet ambience exponentially increased littered with Lynch's fetish for victimized women. In a society as riddled with domestic violence as ours, it's risky business to feed a mass audience the idea that the girl next door might be a whore, that the seductive adolescent perhaps wants a real man to hurt her. The end of the first season tightens the noose with necrophilia and incest. Two men mount the corpse in the missionary position...
[Ben gets the S1 final word mentioning dreams...]

If Twin Peaks helps us identify [repressed] urges, name them and see them for what they are even distorted in the funhouse mirror [it does have something intelligent to say.] If it exposes us to just how our deeply our urges are misshaped by repression, aggression and misogyny, then it had a value in a domain I would unabashedly call ethical... Would the second season live up to the major flaw by refraining from the predictible dichotimization of women into splits of unimaginable variety? A male friend growing suspicious of the show's growing misogyny still believed something of worth would emerge, some subversive intent would clarify itself.

[Between seasons Lynch gave his famous quote about people assuming "if Dorothy was "Everywoman...it's completely false and they'd be right to be upset"] Multiplied in Lynch's bad dreams, she is the dark whore half of Everywoman, whose Other is the innocent madonna. This is the major source of doubling in Twin Peaks. It breaks women in half... Wild at Heart... more of the same exaggerated to the point of parody... Twin Peaks engaged in such splitting in a farcical hurry [Donna's befuddling transformation.]

When parody parodies itself, its subversive value is probably negated
[and Lynch dodged defining it with talk of dreams and abstractions] Whatever the series creators did or did not know, could or could not articulate about their intentions, is finally irrelevant; surely Lynch and Frost know that we are all affected by our own unconscious mental lives, to which we often have little direct access. We reach into the unconscious with dream images, and Twin Peaks reached into ours..employed and exploited our lethal links to sexuality and death, whether those links are formed by nature or culture.

[Another reading has Twin Peaks as a moral tale/or one with indentifiable ethos using the medium not cynically but subversively] to interrogate our collective mental mutilation? ... Randi Davenport in Twin Peaks Culture Feminism and Family Violence claims a feminist stance whose primary purpose is to point out the sexual victimization of women [and father-daughter abuse] and clears the show of charges of intent to titillate... displaces and dismantles 'the pornographic trope of the Seductive Daughter' [victim.] If I a feminist, well-informed on these issues so severely missed the point, then what chance does the mass viewership with high stake in repressing truths about family life, and massive unconscious misogyny, will understand [its] feminist intent? ...

[BOB as supernatural figure doesn't hold Leland and his repressed desires , men who rape and kill, responsible and is a transparent and disappointing cop-out] Even Coop in the end can't resist the cosmic forces represented and embodied by BOB. The "evil" does not reside in normal, troubled, tragic human lives but in helplessly possessed male victims who do not know what they're doing and cannot be held responsible... BOB represents the internal violence that is enacted in a patriarchy almost exclusively by males... a force beyond human tendencies [is to her] less interesting and less valuable as a commentary on human nature under the pressure of culture. The bad guys do get theirs in the end. Thus we are instructed how to situate our sympathies and our experience of justice. [But this is also simplistic] Lascivious misogyny is presented in loving detail punished by an equally thinly disguised notion of patriarchal law and order, scapegoating...the guilt that belongs to the entire cultural order. It goes free... it gets validated.

Is it a coincidence that in the show's second season fall off the viewer polls revealed that the majority of loyal watchers was almost entirely young males?...the same population that supplied [the statistical response that over half of the men in a survey said they'd rape a woman if they could get away with it.] ... Deep harm is done by perpetuating the myth of the Seductive Daughter... reinforcing onscreen rather than refuting the myth's cultural inscription in the show's viewers... If Twin Peaks does stake any claim to the high ground on this issues, it's at the level of television exposes masquerading as serious documentaries. ... It's all got the intellectual depth of an artichoke...
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sylvia_north wrote:Did you know that Piper had serious reservations about that scene, and it was intended to be more overtly sexual I( imagine the couple in a soap rolling strategically covered in the sheets,) and the foot-kissing thing was a last-minute concession to Piper's firm stance against an unnecessarily prurient scene? I'm almost positive Richard said he actually found a elvis doll prop for the little elvis line for that scene, as a side note. Which reminds me, the "Don't take any oink oink off that pretty pig" line Bobby says in the Pilot was originally something vulgar you weren't allowed to say on TV. Pig, still- ouch.
Hmm, Brad's book paints a slightly different version of Piper's reaction to that scene: Beymer says she rejected a more explicit "mauling" not because of any uneasiness about the content, but because she was a bit of a diva and refused to have her lipstick or makeup mussed.

In the same book, Piper says the Elvis doll was a L/F concession to censors, and Beymer claimed not to "get it."
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Mr. Reindeer wrote:
In the same book, Piper says the Elvis doll was a L/F concession to censors, and Beymer claimed not to "get it."
I'm just picturing Piper Laurie, never breaking character:

"It's your penis, Benjamin."
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Haven't been keeping up with this thread as I moved to Japan last week, and everything's been hectic, but I do have to say that my reservations remain and have possibly been heightened after episode 12. Maybe something will allow all the gender stuff to click as well as it does in Lynch's other works, but at this point every major female character is defined by a relationship to men -- either subordinate, or abused, or abusive (usually as a result of trauma) -- while male characters get to stand on their own. They get to have brotherships, and cabals, and underlings, and generally move the story along.

It's honestly distracting. Definitely feels a bit more thoughtless than in Lynch's other works, unless something is made of it yet. (Though even if it is, indication of intentionality is going to come much further into the work, proportionately, than in any of his films.)

That's not to say that any number of the female characters aren't entertaining or engaging on their own, but a troubling pattern emerges.

We're still at, what -- two? -- on the Bechdel test? That's beginning to feel increasingly relevant as, as a previous poster mentioned, it does illustrate a gap in portrayal of people as having internal lives, right down a gender divide. Conversations between two men about any number of subjects have come aplenty, as did ones between female characters in the original run. That's an aesthetic/honesty issue as much as a social one.

And so I stress again that this is why there's a need for the violence and abuse, as gendered as it is, to pay off as well. Maybe this is a story about women living in an abusive world. But how can it be a story about women's experiences when they only exist in the margins?
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Cipher wrote:Haven't been keeping up with this thread as I moved to Japan last week, and everything's been hectic, but I do have to say that my reservations remain and have possibly been heightened after episode 12. Maybe something will allow all the gender stuff to click as well as it does in Lynch's other works, but at this point every major female character is defined by a relationship to men -- either subordinate, or abused, or abusive (usually as a result of trauma) -- while male characters get to stand on their own. They get to have brotherships, and cabals, and underlings, and generally move the story along.

It's honestly distracting. Definitely feels a bit more thoughtless than in Lynch's other works, unless something is made of it yet. (Though even if it is, indication of intentionality is going to come much further into the work, proportionately, than in any of his films.)

That's not to say that any number of the female characters aren't entertaining or engaging on their own, but a troubling pattern emerges.

We're still at, what -- two? -- on the Bechdel test? That's beginning to feel increasingly relevant as, as a previous poster mentioned, it does illustrate a gap in portrayal of people as having internal lives, right down a gender divide. Conversations between two men about any number of subjects have come aplenty, as did ones between female characters in the original run. That's an aesthetic/honesty issue as much as a social one.

And so I stress again that this is why there's a need for the violence and abuse, as gendered as it is, to pay off as well. Maybe this is a story about women living in an abusive world. But how can it be a story about women's experiences when they only exist in the margins?
Curious about which conversations between females you have in mind from the original series?

I guess Catherine and Josie had some heated discussions about the mill...but Andrew was the catalyst.
Audrey and Donna talked about Laura's murder/perfume counter...all stuff leading to things done by men, thought I guess it counts.
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I don't have the original series memorized or anything, but I'm not convinced it was really that much better.
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4815162342 wrote:Curious about which conversations between females you have in mind from the original series?

I guess Catherine and Josie had some heated discussions about the mill...but Andrew was the catalyst.
Audrey and Donna talked about Laura's murder/perfume counter...all stuff leading to things done by men, thought I guess it counts.
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I don't have the original series memorized or anything, but I'm not convinced it was really that much better.
I had the same thought/reaction (and thought of the same examples)...I guess I'd also add Norma & Vivian to the list. Of course, I'm talking about the series, not FWWM.

I think there's a "boy's club" vibe that happens when Mark and David write together (and Harley and Bob). They're guys of a certain age with somewhat dated cultural touchstones in common, and whereas DKL on his own may feel inclined to explore the female voice, I think that for whatever reason, as a duo/collective, they default to a more masculine style. Take FWWM out of the equation and look at the original series on its own: it uses the murder of a female incest victim as a MacGuffin to set in motion a show that at its core is about a fun bromance.
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4815162342 wrote:Curious about which conversations between females you have in mind from the original series?

I guess Catherine and Josie had some heated discussions about the mill...but Andrew was the catalyst.
Audrey and Donna talked about Laura's murder/perfume counter...all stuff leading to things done by men, thought I guess it counts.
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I don't have the original series memorized or anything, but I'm not convinced it was really that much better.
Catherine and Josie have bits of back and forth (and I disagree that they're all Andrew-centered), Maddie and Donna, Donna and Audrey, Norma and Shelley, and quite a few other scattered examples such as Norma and her mom, Donna and her sister in the pilot, etc. Many of these discussions obliquely involve men, by way of tying into plots that men drive or also factor into, but some don't, and at least they're talking to each other instead of ... mysteriously not.

Of course nothing really compares to Donna and Laura in Fire Walk With Me.

It isn't quite equal with the men, but there isn't such a glaring gulf as exists in The Return (which overall I like better and it kills me that it seems to have this fairly major blindspot).
Mr. Reindeer wrote:I think there's a "boy's club" vibe that happens when Mark and David write together (and Harley and Bob). They're guys of a certain age with somewhat dated cultural touchstones in common, and whereas DKL on his own may feel inclined to explore the female voice, I think that for whatever reason, as a duo/collective, they default to a more masculine style.
That's definitely possible. So far I'd been attributing it to a certain clumsiness occurring when Lynch takes fascinations that play out sincerely and poignantly through a personal lens and reframes them through a more distant, ensemble one, but that may be at the heart of it too -- the collaborative creative process.

Or maybe it's both: the broader canvas and the collaboration.
It uses the murder of a female incest victim as a MacGuffin to set in motion a show that at its core is about a fun bromance.
It handles the abuse angle terribly, and thank god Fire Walk With Me arrived to shed light on the series' heart and elevate the whole thing drastically, but it does manage to offer a number of female characters who drive story lines and aren't defined by male relationships or abuse (or, if they are entwined in relationships, they're only as soap-operaishly entangled as the men around them), and in that way unfortunately manages to feel a little more even-keeled than the more artistically sincere Return.
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Mr. Reindeer wrote: I think there's a "boy's club" vibe that happens when Mark and David write together (and Harley and Bob). They're guys of a certain age with somewhat dated cultural touchstones in common, and whereas DKL on his own may feel inclined to explore the female voice, I think that for whatever reason, as a duo/collective, they default to a more masculine style.
Ehh, hard to say. They've only done one project together (Twin Peaks) so one can imagine them doing something different with more female voices if the muse struck them.
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Frost writes about sports. His novels tend to celebrate Sherlock Holmes style sleuthing.
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Cipher wrote:
Of course nothing really compares to Donna and Laura in Fire Walk With Me.
Occasionally they talk about other things, but much of their dialogue centers on : James/Bobby/Mike, Donna worrying about Laura (going back to the abuse...and other stuff involving men). I'm not that impressed with FWWM on that score either.
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douglasb wrote:Frost writes about sports. His novels tend to celebrate Sherlock Holmes style sleuthing.
A quick look on amazon does suggest Frost has never written a female main protagonist. On the other hand at one point there was talk of an Audrey spinoff show, so if that would have happened Frost would have written a female main character...

(And of course we don't know if Frost has done rejected pitches with female main characters.)
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Is this spoilery at all? I'm curious about it, but may have to read once it's all finished. I'm a little bemused by the popularity of Candie (winning favourite new character poll by a landslide), despite how much the actor brings to the role (she is captivating to watch and does the whole daydreaming thing so well, but.. yeah). I'd only not mentioned the issues I have with these characters because it all still may go in a surprising direction. Now we're encouraged to see the Mitchums as loveable rogues, the Candie girls seem even more problematic. It's all one more reason why the French woman scene in Ep 12 really missed the mark for me. Is there really room for another character like this when we already have Candie and co?
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Glad you posted this article. I read it when it came out and it was during a time when I thought my initial reaction to Candie had been too harsh given other people's reaction to the character. - Then I read the part about her viewing Candie as the Mitchum brothers' pet or little dog. So much for the undercover agent idea . . .

I can certainly see why she's a popular new character. Shiels is definitely a scene stealer and is captivating to watch, but for now that seems to be the extent of her existence in the tapestry of the show with the exception of delivering a few quirky lines. - Just was hoping for more from her character and other female characters given how far along we are in the season now. Hoping that might change.

Meanwhile . . .
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alreadygoneplaces wrote:Now we're encouraged to see the Mitchums as loveable rogues, the Candie girls seem even more problematic. It's all one more reason why the French woman scene in Ep 12 really missed the mark for me. Is there really room for another character like this when we already have Candie and co?
I don't think we'll see the French woman again (maybe that's obvious). I don't recall seeing it pointed out yet so pardon me if it has been: what I found interesting about her scene was that she did a strip tease backwards, basically, or in reverse. That's how it struck me -- and of course what also struck me was its chord in keeping with the talking-backwards motif of Lodge inhabitants etc.
There wasn't necessarily a context for The Lodge in that moment but there was earlier in the opening scene with the red drapes that Diane entered through.
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