Re: POLL: The Nature of Audrey's Situation (Spoilers)
Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2017 7:00 am
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Richard never told the audience any of that. All we know is he recognized Cooper from a photograph... and that "my mom had it."laughingpinecone wrote:Richard tells us that she raised him up to a certain point, told him that the man in the picture was FBI. So whatever happened to her, I'd rule out the coma we left her in in ep29...
(I'm still praying for TFD to throw us a bone here. Not a whole univocal explanation, Hell would freeze over and Mark Frost would spontaneously combust before that, just one scrap of a clue)
Could be they just didn't change Richard's lines from before Audrey's plot change, but he knows Cooper's job and name. I somehow can't find it in myself to picture Ben or Jerry or whoever else telling young Richard aaall about this dude on a picture his comatose mother-he-never-knew owned, to the point that he still remembers it many years later.Audrey Horne wrote:Richard never told the audience any of that. All we know is he recognized Cooper from a photograph... and that "my mom had it."laughingpinecone wrote:Richard tells us that she raised him up to a certain point, told him that the man in the picture was FBI. So whatever happened to her, I'd rule out the coma we left her in in ep29...
(I'm still praying for TFD to throw us a bone here. Not a whole univocal explanation, Hell would freeze over and Mark Frost would spontaneously combust before that, just one scrap of a clue)
This is not quite accurate. He says he saw a picture of him in his FBI suit. Coop asks him where he saw the picture, and he says, "My mom had it." It's possible that they preserved Audrey's room after she fell into the coma, and she had the picture of Cooper in there. You could certainly be right, but we don't know definitively either way.laughingpinecone wrote:Richard tells us that she raised him up to a certain point, told him that the man in the picture was FBI.
Hester Prynne wrote:I loved that her and Cooper's awakenings paralleled each other's in Pt 16.
So was Cooper's really, in proportion to the overall arc. Your parallels are spot on here!Hester Prynne wrote:Her dance parallels Coop's "I am the FBI," both characters remembering exactly who they were, but Audrey's awakening was short lived.
It does seem like there needs to be some kind of reckoning with Cooper that doesn't happen. It's similar to the first two seasons where I wish they had delved more into Leland's responsibility for Laura's abuse and death than his merely being a conduit for Bob or lodge forces - the idea that the lodges are internal forces driving our decisions and impulses and ultimately our responsibility when they must be accounted for. Cue all the accountants in this series.Audrey Horne wrote:
We have rape, molestation, suffering from so many characters. Purgatory in some way for most of them. But instead a green glove fight, and a gotcha Twilight Zone ending. What if instead we find out Cooper and Mr. C are the same person... two halves split. And Coooer has to actually deal with his darker side. Shades of Leland.
Nothing concrete has to happen, but having women raped, molested, having a child and left in limbo seems kinda irresponsible not to explore. There’s something with Audrey, Laura and Diane that, to me, feels like should’ve been tied together to Cooper.
I also think it's interesting that his name is Richard, the name of his and Audrey's dead son. This, with the arm's repetition of Audrey's line about the little girl that lived down the lane are resonances of Audrey in the final part even though we don't see her. Maybe this is some sort of punishment or purgatory for Cooper - stuck living out his life with the name of his dead son and trapped in one of Audrey's stories - a bit out there, but who knows.ThumbsUp wrote:
For me, up until halfway through S2, Coop was presented as this perfect, flawless character, but then you found out he cheated on his partner's wife, and his hero complex manifests in his Black Lodge trial when he's confronted with the various people he failed to protect (Caroline, Maddy, Leland, Laura, Annie...)
I guess the closest thing, from my POV, that we got to Coop/Mr. C "unifying" was the sequence at the diner in Odessa, as others on the internet have pointed out and theorised. We see flashes of Good Coop, Mr. C, even Dougie all in the same vignette.
Richard is not the son of (this) Cooper.Hester Prynne wrote: I also think it's interesting that his name is Richard, the name of his and Audrey's dead son. This, with the arm's repetition of Audrey's line about the little girl that lived down the lane are resonances of Audrey in the final part even though we don't see her. Maybe this is some sort of punishment or purgatory for Cooper - stuck living out his life with the name of his dead son and trapped in one of Audrey's stories - a bit out there, but who knows.
And Doc Hayward said that she "was" in a coma.BGate wrote: I will say, pointing out that "Richard never had a father" seems a bit odd if he also didn't have a mother. I know it led into Ben's story about his dad, but you'd think he would say, "Richard never had parents" or something.
These too!PsychoFox wrote:And Doc Hayward said that she "was" in a coma.BGate wrote: I will say, pointing out that "Richard never had a father" seems a bit odd if he also didn't have a mother. I know it led into Ben's story about his dad, but you'd think he would say, "Richard never had parents" or something.
And I don't think that you can wake up from a 25 years coma like that, saying immediatly "What ?"
The way I looked at it, is that the characters themselves are still in denial over the magnitude of this horror, and Lynch likes the audiences to feel what the characters are feeling, and get inside their heads. The superhero stuff and Cooper wanting to save Laura is just him trading delusions now that he realizes all these disassociated personas he's conjured are all a part of him. He still can't cope and confront it, not really, which is why he wants to change the past. That's how I saw it anyway.Audrey Horne wrote:I think most of us in the coma camp are saying she said "What?" to her mind realizing she's not in the world of being married to Charlie. The mirror scene is what she really looks like- but her physical body is still in a coma, her mind/soul is in a white room, lodge prison.
And that's the whole interesting potential point about Richard Horne not being Cooper's. Isn't he in some way? Same DNA. TWIN Peaks, shadow self. Leland did and did not kill Laura. So many interesting human dynamics not explored in favor of supernatural, Twilight Zone and superhero 101s.
Audrey Horne wrote: And that's the whole interesting potential point about Richard Horne not being Cooper's. Isn't he in some way? Same DNA.
Yes - this is how I interpreted it, too. It is revealed to us that Mr. C fathered Richard, but in the final episode, we see Cooper's various identities merge, which means Richard is as much a part of Cooper as Mr. C. Now having the same name as his son can't be unintentional. It made me think of "Sr." and "Jr." Mr. C is definitely present in that last episode, but I see glimpses of Richard, as well. At Judy's in Odessa when Coop-Richard is confronted by the cowboy as he sat in the booth, it reminded me of Richard in the Roadhouse being confronted by the manager to put out his cigarette - they even reach their right arm back in the booths the same way. I think these are all hints that Richard Horne is just as much a product of and a part of Cooper as Mr. C and Dougie.chromereflectsimage wrote:The superhero stuff and Cooper wanting to save Laura is just him trading delusions now that he realizes all these disassociated personas he's conjured are all a part of him.
I really like this. I agree that the Richard name isn't just another random name that happens to be shared with another character, as is the case with so many TP characters (Mike, Bob, etc). It's a great way of manifesting the dark sides of Coop, who, like I said before, was a character that I love but for the first season and a half was way too perfect and can-do-no-wrong.Hester Prynne wrote:Audrey Horne wrote: And that's the whole interesting potential point about Richard Horne not being Cooper's. Isn't he in some way? Same DNA.Yes - this is how I interpreted it, too. It is revealed to us that Mr. C fathered Richard, but in the final episode, we see Cooper's various identities merge, which means Richard is as much a part of Cooper as Mr. C. Now having the same name as his son can't be unintentional. It made me think of "Sr." and "Jr." Mr. C is definitely present in that last episode, but I see glimpses of Richard, as well. At Judy's in Odessa when Coop-Richard is confronted by the cowboy as he sat in the booth, it reminded me of Richard in the Roadhouse being confronted by the manager to put out his cigarette - they even reach their right arm back in the booths the same way. I think these are all hints that Richard Horne is just as much a product of and a part of Cooper as Mr. C and Dougie.chromereflectsimage wrote:The superhero stuff and Cooper wanting to save Laura is just him trading delusions now that he realizes all these disassociated personas he's conjured are all a part of him.