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Two birds with one stone

Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2017 7:52 pm
by Exar Kun
The two birds with one stone saying is believed to be originated from the story of Icarus and his father Daedelus. Daedelus was an architect and he builds the Labyrinth under orders from the King Minos. It was build to imprison the Minotaur/a half man half bull creature. The Labyrinth was a vast maze with so many false turns and dead ends that no one who entered it could ever find a way out. Daedalus wanted to leave when he finished his work however the King refused telling him he knows the secrets of the labyrinth and locked him and his son in a very tall tower. Deadelus was also an engineer and he was making escape plans and he carefully observed the birds and asked his son to catch some birds with stones to have their feathers. He finished making wings for both of them and when he sets to try them he tells his son if it works, they could practice, but his son was impatient. When he saw his father flying he was amazed. He looked in marvel and thought his father looked like a god. He couldn't wait any longer and took off from the edge of the tower. His father shouted him to come back, and after doing several turns he came back. His father told him they have to practice.

They practiced for days and when it was time to go he told Icarus he shouldn't fly too close to the water, because it will get wet and the wings will become too heavy. He also shouldn't fly too close to the sun because it will melt the wax that holds the wings together. He says he understands but he was barely listening. They then headed for the sea. His father was being cautious and reminding his son to be careful but Icarus wanted to fly higher, up to where the gods lived. He rose up and up and the warmth of the sun felt good to him. Eventually the sun burned his wings, and he dropped down in the water. His father went on looking for him and when he flew close to the sea he saw the feathers floating. He then knew his son was drowned. He cried as he flew alone. If only his son listened to him then they would be free together.

Re: Two birds with one stone

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 5:46 pm
by chromereflectsimage
This is interesting. The closest I could come up with is Mr C letting Richard fry being a subversive version of this. Not sure what it means though. Thanks for posting.

Re: Two birds with one stone

Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 11:35 am
by Manwith
Exar Kun wrote:The two birds with one stone saying is believed to be originated from the story of Icarus and his father Daedelus.

I notice you didn't cite any source for this. A google search suggests this probably isn't true:

Many online “experts” believe the usage originated in the story of Daedalus and Icarus, who escaped from the Labyrinth on Crete by making wings and flying out, according to Greek mythology.

Daedalus supposedly got the feathers to make the wings by killing two birds with one stone. However, neither Ovid nor Appolodorus, the principal sources of the myth, say anything about how Daedalus got the feathers.

In the 1600s, when the expression arrived in English, one sense of the word “bird” was a game bird, especially a partridge, according to the OED. And one sense of the term “stone” (or “gunstone”) at that time was a bullet. ... -play.html

Re: Two birds with one stone

Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 7:54 am
by Exar Kun
I didn't cite any source because it is believed to be so. Nobody is completely sure about the origin.

However since they are influenced by tales of Greek Mythology (resemblance to Orpheus and Odysseus, also the town Odessa etc.), I thought this completely fits. Cooper had advantages, he was gifted, he was saved, and he was very, very lucky. Could've moved on with his life. However it wasn't enough for him. He wanted more, he wanted to immerse himself in the vast mystery and incantation again. He wanted to firewalk basically. Remember how it fascinated him when it happened in season 1... he said the same exact words with MIKE. He is naively entranced by this magic. He wanted to delve deeper, solve the unsolvable, solve what is already solved, ventured too far, and unknowingly caused a catastrophe for both himself and Laura. This is feeling the ending left me with. Also considered how the Fireman speech in the beginning could also be after the ending, and sounds like reminding him of the failure he has done. These inspirations make the season 3 more interesting for me.