One year later - how are we feeling?

Moderators: Annie, BookhouseBoyBob, Ross, Jerry Horne, Brad D

User avatar
krishnanspace
Posts: 1030
Joined: Wed Nov 18, 2015 5:15 am

Re: One year later - how are we feeling?

Postby krishnanspace » Mon Jun 04, 2018 7:35 pm

mtwentz wrote:
marchug wrote:
mtwentz wrote:I don't recall any Annie/Diane moments. Annie was only mentioned once in the series and never made an appearance.


Yeah. Exactly. She went from being the great love of Coopers life to Diane being the love of his life. Or whatever was supposed to have happened there with Cooper and Diane.


I was a bit disappointed in that as well. In fact, it's my only major disappointment of The Return; I kept hoping Annie would make a surprise appearance right up to the end.

Same here for me.Coop even remembers the How's Annie scene , when the arm tells him to Remember BoB.I really wanted to know How was Annie doing.
User avatar
Marcus
Posts: 6
Joined: Wed Oct 08, 2014 7:24 am

Re: One year later - how are we feeling?

Postby Marcus » Mon Jun 04, 2018 10:37 pm

For me, it's not really one year after, because I saw season 3 only this spring.

I'm re-watching it now ;), and, like I was a couple of months earlier, I'm perfectly fine with it. Probably because I didn't know/guess what to expect, except for getting thrilled and mesmerized again.

Of course I wanted to know how Annie was, and I still do, and I also would have loved to see Coop and Audrey meeting again, but I'm happy with the 'fact' that Laura Is The One. If FWWM showed me anything some 20 years ago, then it must have been that the Palmer family & residence are central in the Twin Peaks story and the fierce battle between Good and Evil.
"I reject absolutely revenge, aggression, and retaliation. The foundation of such a method is love." [Albert Rosenfield]
Agent Earle
Posts: 936
Joined: Sat Jan 14, 2017 12:55 am

Re: One year later - how are we feeling?

Postby Agent Earle » Tue Jun 05, 2018 1:28 am

meadowlark wrote:I am satisfied that they resolved the "How's Annie?" smashed-mirror cliffhanger. I had been pondering that for many years.


Only they didn't.
User avatar
N. Needleman
Posts: 2070
Joined: Wed Dec 03, 2014 2:39 pm

Re: One year later - how are we feeling?

Postby N. Needleman » Tue Jun 05, 2018 2:18 am

I love Sheryl Lee and think she is the center of Twin Peaks, but I think making Sheryl Janey-E would be too pat and insular for the show in 2018. I am very happy with Naomi Watts and I loved the character. I would've been very happy with Coop ending happily with Janey-E and Sonny Jim, and expected it until the final night. More fool me.
AnotherBlueRoseCase wrote:The Return is clearly guaranteed a future audience among stoners and other drug users.
User avatar
yaxomoxay
Posts: 767
Joined: Tue May 23, 2017 4:50 pm

One year later - how are we feeling?

Postby yaxomoxay » Tue Jun 05, 2018 6:59 am

N. Needleman wrote:I love Sheryl Lee and think she is the center of Twin Peaks, but I think making Sheryl Janey-E would be too pat and insular for the show in 2018. I am very happy with Naomi Watts and I loved the character. I would've been very happy with Coop ending happily with Janey-E and Sonny Jim, and expected it until the final night. More fool me.


Agreed.
Let’s put it this way; by loving Janey-E, Cooper is finally free of the town of Twin Peaks where he thought to have found happiness. The truth is that happiness was somewhere else. As it stands, Coop/Richard going back to the town of Twin Peaks just brings out what true horror is, the same horror that Laura lived.


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
User avatar
marchug
Posts: 181
Joined: Wed Jan 31, 2007 10:10 am
Location: Where the birds sing a pretty song and there's always music in the air.
Contact:

Re: One year later - how are we feeling?

Postby marchug » Tue Jun 05, 2018 7:22 am

Audrey Horne wrote:If they were going this route with Coooer as Richard, then I would’ve had Audrey be in the grove clearing and go in the trip... so we think we’re still watching a conventional story... aha, she’s saved. She spies Diane outside the hotel... oh no, she’s back as an evil tulpa or is that the real Diane. The sex scene morphs between Audrey, Diane and maybe Laura. And Richard, Coooer gets the Dear John letter in the morning. I’d probably go further with having Sheryl Lee play Janey E to up the Vegas tension.

Then we’d never really know what Linda looks like, but Richard has compartmentalized these extreme examples of women, including Annie and Caroline to deal with real life abuse he has dealt her. Richard was never an FBI agent etc and had to create this perfect fantasy that keeps breaking down. He has to invent things like Mr C, Leland and Bob as qualifiers to justify things he feels guilty of. Names like Truman and nostalgic Peaks makes sense if he’s trying to create a perfect world but where it keeps breaking down.


I really love this idea.
-23-
claaa7
Posts: 715
Joined: Sun Oct 19, 2014 2:47 am

Re: One year later - how are we feeling?

Postby claaa7 » Tue Jun 05, 2018 10:15 am

still find it mindblowingly good for the most part.. with every rewatch i have really come around on some of the stuff i wasn't fully on board with, like Sarah biting out the neck of the trucker, some of the bad CGI choices, etc. even the Green Glove kid is Ok for me now, and that really made my heart boil in frustration the first time i saw it.

while it's very different from the first two seasons it has one very important theme that they share - they let me fully enter and be immersed in a fully fleshed out world. entering the world of Twin Peaks whether it was the 1989/1990 series or the 2017 one really takes me away and lets me dream.

i find that i think about it so much so not actually rewatching it would just have been torture, so mostly i just give in when the urge come.. i probably watched the full thing around 6 or 7 times (not counting the multiple episode rewatches between episodes back last summer.
User avatar
yaxomoxay
Posts: 767
Joined: Tue May 23, 2017 4:50 pm

Re: One year later - how are we feeling?

Postby yaxomoxay » Tue Jun 05, 2018 11:31 am

claaa7 wrote:while it's very different from the first two seasons it has one very important theme that they share - they let me fully enter and be immersed in a fully fleshed out world. entering the world of Twin Peaks whether it was the 1989/1990 series or the 2017 one really takes me away and lets me dream.

i find that i think about it so much so not actually rewatching it would just have been torture, so mostly i just give in when the urge come.. i probably watched the full thing around 6 or 7 times (not counting the multiple episode rewatches between episodes back last summer.


I fully agree with this.


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
LateReg
Posts: 1053
Joined: Sun May 10, 2015 5:19 pm

Re: One year later - how are we feeling?

Postby LateReg » Thu Jun 07, 2018 11:36 am

Mr. Reindeer wrote:Heather Graham is freaking awesome, and I’d have loved to see her work with DKL as a more mature artist. But I don’t think Annie was ever anything more than another stone along a path. Not that Dale thought of her that way; I think his intentions were pure, and maybe they even might have become a serious long-term couple if they’d had the chance. But pretty much that whole arc was about the fact that Dale was repeating old patterns, with Annie and Caroline literally becoming interchangeable in Episode 29. MLMT shows a history of Dale falling in love with the idea rather than the reality of a woman (generally a damaged woman he perceives as needing protection), and convincing himself that she is “the one,” only for things to go horribly wrong, which he generally blames on a curse rather than any error in his own judgment. I think this is telling as to the writers’ mindset circa S2, and I think the new series continued mining the same terrain in a more abstract way.


This is a great analysis and synopsis of the thoughts we've been kicking around here, and what I personally feel is happening, and why it had to happen with Diane. I am however open to the idea of it having been Audrey at this point, but being that I was always against a romance emerging between Dale and Audrey in S3, I hadn't ever considered what it would have been like if he was merely rescuing her (again), this time from a place that his Doppelganger put her. That could have worked, for sure. A sex scene with Audrey could have been very haunting since it would have come out of nowhere (as if to fulfill fan expectations and then thoroughly crush them), but it perhaps works better with Diane, a woman whom Dale has known longer and whom I had always suspected him of having some sort of tensely flirtatious relationship wth, and also checks more boxes thematically since Diane was always just a soundboard/figment of imagination for Dale in the first place. But once again, she comes out dressed like the frickin' Red Room. I think anybody who thinks that it doesn't make sense that it's Diane should at least consider that it might not be.

Needleman, I'm not against the idea of Freddy being deliberately awesome! I just don't think of it in that way, but the reason I'm able to appreciate the scene in the first place is because I think the execution is indeed awesome in and of itself, which opened up my line of thinking into what it might mean rather than disregarding it as "bad" or "silly."
User avatar
Voided
Posts: 47
Joined: Sat Feb 04, 2017 3:08 am

Re: One year later - how are we feeling?

Postby Voided » Fri Jun 08, 2018 4:26 pm

I’ve just finished my forth watch, so it’s pretty obvious how I feel about it. What occurred to me is just how much of the show must be an illusion. The third season is different because what seems like a framework of reality is always melded into surrealistic abstraction. Whereas the original series restricted dream imagery to specific realms such as the red room, the third season is continuously undermined by allusions to it’s synthetic nature. Whilst there is clearly a meta commentary on the nature of revisiting a fictional universe after 25 years, there also appears to be some sort of existential hallucination like we’ve seen in Lynch’s previous films. The most revealing moments are the Audrey scenes which hint at limbo spaces and identity crises. It isn’t just the Roadhouse that seems to be a space that blends the real and the fantastical.....Tulpas are an insane idea and the whole of the Janet E reality is dream-like. I still don’t know quite what to make of it, as it seems designed for multiple interpretations without enough clues to settle on just one thing. I love it, though.....whatever it means.
Just forget you ever saw it. It's better that way.
IcedOver
Posts: 443
Joined: Sun Mar 26, 2017 1:31 pm

Re: One year later - how are we feeling?

Postby IcedOver » Fri Jun 08, 2018 11:27 pm

Just watched the trailer for the "Halloween" reboot (which for some reason is also called "Halloween", as if we didn't already have a second film with that name eleven years ago). It's just one trailer, but it's clear that efforts were made to replicate some shots and elements, to make you look backward, not necessarily forward. I thought of how S3 did the exact opposite, and almost aggressively stayed away from fan service and throwbacks. Despite its many flaws, that at least is something to admire about it.
I DON'T FEEL GOOD!!!!!
User avatar
mtwentz
Posts: 1883
Joined: Sun Oct 04, 2015 10:02 am

Re: One year later - how are we feeling?

Postby mtwentz » Sat Jun 09, 2018 3:42 am

IcedOver wrote:Just watched the trailer for the "Halloween" reboot (which for some reason is also called "Halloween", as if we didn't already have a second film with that name eleven years ago). It's just one trailer, but it's clear that efforts were made to replicate some shots and elements, to make you look backward, not necessarily forward. I thought of how S3 did the exact opposite, and almost aggressively stayed away from fan service and throwbacks. Despite its many flaws, that at least is something to admire about it.


Hah, interesting you should mention that. I was surprised how much the trailer for Halloween gave away, and was also surprised at how much some of the shots seem to mimick earlier Halloween films.
The woman in the bathroom stall...the crashed bus...the dead mechanic, etc.
"Dougie is COOPER? How the Hell is this!?"
User avatar
Trudy Chelgren
Posts: 178
Joined: Sun Aug 14, 2016 2:07 am

Re: One year later - how are we feeling?

Postby Trudy Chelgren » Sat Jun 09, 2018 5:13 am

I'll always say that what they did with James in The Return is one it's best through-lines. They wrapped up a really nice reference to the original, ("Just You") while bringing it new context, meaning and weight. That's what sequels should do. From James' awkward teenage song in a love triangle, to now being a lonely and kind of damaged adult. I also really loved how they never brought up Laura or Donna or Maddy in regards to James. Seeing the two brunettes singing backup tells you everything you need to know about the circles he's still walking in.

He's "just quiet now". From what we can assume, doesn't ride a bike anymore. Has no friends his own age, or any besides Freddy. Still sings the same old song to strangers. Is arguably worse at talking to women. Yet, he's always been cool. Shelly, and especially Renee, resonating with James from a distance is really emotive to me. His whole arc is so nuanced and perfect in this season to me. Bobby's story too.

I even kind of loved what they did with Harry. Not just making up some bullshit excuse for an actor's absence, but connecting it directly with the themes of duality, sickness and the sad world today. Frank's intermittent calls with him, as the news gradually got worse, but never morbid. "Give my regards to Harry". The Log Lady didn't forget him either, "the Truman brothers are both true men. They are your brothers." It's all handled with such sensitivity and careful planning. I love it.
melody nelson
Posts: 2
Joined: Sun May 13, 2012 5:17 pm

Re: One year later - how are we feeling?

Postby melody nelson » Sat Jun 09, 2018 10:21 am

Fantastic post, Trudy. :)
Agent Earle
Posts: 936
Joined: Sat Jan 14, 2017 12:55 am

Re: One year later - how are we feeling?

Postby Agent Earle » Sat Jun 09, 2018 12:51 pm

I don't see anything careful and planned in the awful way of keeping Harry Truman around through use of a hokey plot device that is some mysterious illness that makes him impossible to be seen, just "heard" through telephone calls, and in the even more awful way of filling the void of his absence with shoddy, cheapjack replacement that is his brother, never once hinted at in the originals. I find it all insulting to the intelligence, to be frank.

Return to “Season 3 (2017) The Return”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 34 guests