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Twin Peaks reboot set in the modern day?

Postby StealThisCorn » Sat Sep 27, 2014 12:56 am

I believe that Twin Peaks will inevitably recycle some time in the future and return as a reboot, like so many other popular media titles. While I would love nothing more than for Mark Frost, David Lynch and Angelo Badalamenti (and hell why not Harley Peyton and Robert Engels too) to collaborate together and lead this project, they may pass on to the White Lodge before any new Peaks projects receive the go ahead. But I feel that the title simply remains too popular, too recognizable and too under-developed for some aspiring network or creative mind to not reboot the series for a new generation eventually. I just hope that minds that have been influenced by and appreciate the kind of incredibly creative techniques of Lynch and the superb grasp of storyline, pacing and structure like Frost would be at the helm.

While the handling of this project would be, understandably, a cause for worry amongst us true fans of the original, even if the final product turned out to be an awful, caricatured piece of trash that completely missed the point, it's not like we wouldn't still have our beloved originals. They can never take those away from us. That said, I think it is also an exciting prospect, offering its creators the chance to more thoughtfully plan out the storylines, avoid the awful mistakes of the past and even propel the material further than the original was allowed to go and introduce new answers, twists and mysteries.

Obviously, we are talking a completely new, age-appropriate, cast to portray the pivotal characters necessary to kickstart the new series. Although, a few select actors could reprise their roles like no other, such as Al Strobel for the One-armed man, whose age wouldn't be a problem at all for his character and whose incredible voice I just can't see being replaced. The loss of Frank Silva is a tragedy to me because he's just so damn perfect at being a creepy bastard, but I imagine there is someone out there who could do the part justice. Or what if Sheryl Lee were cast as Sarah Palmer, now portraying Laura's mother? Kyle MacLlachlan as Gordon Cole? One could easily go too far with such fan service, but it's exciting to imagine the possibilities. A new cast of modern actors would, in turn, of course, change the personalities of the characters somewhat and "update" them for the modern day. Modern audiences are far more cynical and tolerate much less melodrama and artificially-contrived plot stupidity (there's a reason James and Donna are probably the least favorite characters with modern audiences who get into Twin Peaks).

But also imagine everything that's changed in the last 25 years (of which I confess, I have only been alive for going on 24 of them). Just think how many ways modern technology and the capabilities of today's FBI would affect the Laura Palmer investigation and thus how it would have to be altered to hold up and the interesting ways this would cause the story to naturally diverge from the original. For example, in the Pilot, Sara wouldn't have had to call all over around town to find out if Laura was there if she could just call, or *gasp*, text, Laura's cell phone. Likewise, with the proliferation of the internet, gone are the days when clandestine sex hookups were a complicated affair involving a smutty magazine clearinghouse using shady P.O. boxes to ensure no direct, traceable contact between advertisers and clients. Philip Gerard would probably be using a clozapine mixture these days instead of the out-dated haloperidol cocktail.

Likewise, the show's intensity, both in plot and subject matter, would have to be ratcheted up quite a bit to engage modern audiences the same way the original did. Though some of the creepiest moments, like Ronette's dream in Episode 8 or Maddy's murder in Episode 14 still hold up very well in terms of raw horror, it's also true that what was shocking and edgy in 1990 isn't anymore now in 2014. Think of shows that followed like Millenium, Criminal Minds, Dexter, American Horror Story and True Detective. The nudity, profanity, and violence, both sexual and otherwise, that was mostly implied before, would now enter the foreground. Laura's corpse wouldn't be the pristine sculpture it is, but display numerous grisly stab wounds. The Red Room and the Lodge entities would need to be even more creepy, occupying the same cultural place as something like the modern Slenderman perhaps. Instead of lingerie ads in Fleshworld, we're probably talking underage porn clips on some darkweb youtube out there. To avoid annoying modern audiences, Cooper's wide-eyed embrace of the town and groundless leaps in logic should probably mature into a guarded suspicion of the dangerous small town and its many secrets and logical investigation procedures that our detail-oriented watch and watch again minds can appreciate (Broadchurch anyone?). Of course it goes without saying that his unorthodox use of dreams, meditation and such should remain an intrinsic quirk of the character, but it should be what empowers him to bypass the limitations of the material investigation into the murky world of the supernatural goings on, not justify irrational leaps throughout it. It seems hard to change the perfect narrative of Laura's father as the guilty party (the powerful themes of parental abuse and rape are just as relevant today as they were then sadly), which probably means those familiar with the story will already know who the killer is and, if they don't, the articles online will be happy to draw all the connections to the originals and spoil. So the show's other aspects will have to be just as powerful, compelling and appealing as the mystery to hold the interest of viewers like that.

This could bring a new generation into the world of Twin Peaks as well as surprise the faithful fans. No pressure to "reveal the killer" before all the storylines, onion layers and red herrings have been squeezed out of it (rather than wasting our time with red herrings when we have already seen who the killer is), no forcing subpar meandering storylines like Evelyn Marsh, Little Nicky, General Benjamin Horne, no forced ties to outdated real world stuff like Project Bluebook or the 90s UFO/conspiracy craze and, most excitingly, once all has been covered, updated and corrected, completely original new material going past the storyline cut short by the original failures of the series and the film!

Alright so that's what I think, but I want to see a big discussion about all your ideas for how the storylines for a reboot Twin Peaks, set in the modern day, would go. How would it be different? What unexpected places would those differences take the story? If you're looking for a Twin Peaks fanfiction project, how about a new Pilot, for starters, set in the modern day?
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Re: Twin Peaks reboot set in the modern day?

Postby kingsoprano718 » Sat Sep 27, 2014 4:05 am

I like the idea of where a reboot could go but I have a different take on it. If you would allow me to indulge you with it for one second before we go back to strict reboot talk.

I don't see why it cant be BOTH a reboot and a continuation. Something similar to what V the Series tried to do. There can be a new murder in town 25 years to the day of the Laura Palmer murder. Perhaps a rookie agent comes to the town to investigate. You can have an X-Files like government conspiracy where they are trying to cover up the Lodges and Coopers disappearance. Some of the town members can make small appearances or references could be made to them. The tone would have to be dark. Like Hannibal or AHS kind of dark. With the shorter 12 episode seasons and the interest in mythology type horror shows this could so work today. It does not have to be heavy on the series references. It could focus on a new cast living in the town now, a new owner of One Eyed Jacks or The Great Northern and it can feature The Lodges without REQUIRING the viewer to have seen the original series since we were only beginning to learn of them to begin with.

The new murder can be a new mystery because it will be unknown who BOB or a new BOB like spirit inhabits. And for a zinger in the final episode of the first season Cooper can reappear out of nowhere leading into the second season. During the time off interest in the original series could reach an all time high. I think everyone writing off that they will never bring back Peaks is a huge mistake on the creators parts, especially in this day and age of TV.
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Re: Twin Peaks reboot set in the modern day?

Postby StealThisCorn » Sat Sep 27, 2014 5:52 am

You're completely right. That is another viable way to return to the Peaks. It could be fun too, with little references us seasoned viewers would smile at. There could be a whole slew of murders committed by now. Hell Cooper could have become a serial killer while he and, *sigh*, Annie, could have had a daughter and Bob could have continued the cycle of abuse. Though maybe an unknown host would be better like you said.

But I guess that's not quite as interesting to me because it leaves all the bad stuff still there in its history. And it would need a compelling, new storyline impetus. But you could do it. It just wouldn't be a clean slate.
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Re: Twin Peaks reboot set in the modern day?

Postby Jasper » Sat Sep 27, 2014 7:09 pm

There is one way and only one way to approach Twin Peaks on the small screen, and that is to continue the story roughly 25 or so years later, and with Lynch on board, and ideally Mark Frost as well (though obviously FWWM was made sans Frost).

Whether it would be as TV movies, a miniseries, or a continuing series is another matter. It could also be continued on the big screen as well, also 25 years later.

As for a reboot using all different actors to do the same (or similar) characters? No. Please, no.

http://www.theguardian.com/film/2014/jul/24/-sp-david-lynch-laura-palmer-twin-peaks-unseen-fire-walk-with-me

What would he say if someone wanted to remake, say, Eraserhead?

LYNCH: “If they were near me I might shoot them. If I had a gun.”
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Postby Jasper » Sat Sep 27, 2014 7:26 pm

OK, I must admit that I'd be game for this notion floated in another thread:

thegreatnorthern wrote:Ooh yes, the history of twin peaks.. so many possibilities

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Above all I long for a Lynch-made continuation of the series, but this would be very neat as well. "Prequel" stuff is risky, but I imagine something like this being set well before the original series timeline, so it wouldn't be a direct prequel. More like a Boardwalk Empire or Mad Men period piece. If I can't have a continuation, I'd be very excited for historic TP.
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Postby StealThisCorn » Sat Sep 27, 2014 8:52 pm

There is one way and only one way to approach Twin Peaks on the small screen, and that is to continue the story roughly 25 or so years later


Actually, that isn't the only way. It could be that, sure, or it could be a clean slate reboot for the modern day or, as has been mentioned a few times, a delightful period piece looking back to the murky origins of Twin Peaks, the battles between the Packards and the Martells, the evil in the woods, Native American legends, the time of Mike and Bob's perfect golden circle of appetite and satisfaction, etc.

Whether we like it or not, Lynch and Frost are going to die, and after that I can't see whichever company inherits (or buys) the IP just sitting on the kind of opportunity to dress it up for modern audiences and try again. That's the way of things.
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Re: Twin Peaks reboot set in the modern day?

Postby Jasper » Sat Sep 27, 2014 10:48 pm

StealThisCorn wrote:
There is one way and only one way to approach Twin Peaks on the small screen, and that is to continue the story roughly 25 or so years later


Actually, that isn't the only way. It could be that, sure, or it could be a clean slate reboot for the modern day or, as has been mentioned a few times, a delightful period piece looking back to the murky origins of Twin Peaks, the battles between the Packards and the Martells, the evil in the woods, Native American legends, the time of Mike and Bob's perfect golden circle of appetite and satisfaction, etc.


Note that I've expanded my opinion to include distant prequel possibilities.

I'll try to be a little clearer about what I meant when I said "the only way". I mean that if faced with a reboot (many of the same characters in what is more or less the same story) vs. a continuation with many of the original actors reprising their respective roles, I think the only way that isn't complete bullshit is a continuation. :lol:

Obviously anything is possible, especially if there's a buck to be made, but I'm only interested in Lynch and co. continuing the story (picking up in the present day or expanding the distant backstory). The idea of a rehash of the original turns my stomach. I'd be deeply relieved if there were a way for Lynch, in his will, to legally prohibit a remake of any kind.

People can (and do) create new things inspired to various degrees by Twin Peaks. That's fine and dandy. A remake, on the other hand, would be a pointless defilement of the original, and I think it would fly in the face of the creative inspiration which gave us Twin Peaks in the first place. It's (partly) the work of an auteur, and should be respected as such.

Lynch said he might shoot someone trying to remake his work. For my part, I might throw a can of creamed corn.
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Re: Twin Peaks reboot set in the modern day?

Postby Mb3 » Sun Sep 28, 2014 4:50 am

StealThisCorn wrote:Whether we like it or not, Lynch and Frost are going to die, and after that I can't see whichever company inherits (or buys) the IP just sitting on the kind of opportunity to dress it up for modern audiences and try again. That's the way of things.


That's what I also thought about during the last weeks after rewatching the whole series plus all the other stuff on the Entire Mystery box-set.
I said to my brother who's also a huge fan of Twin Peaks, that I hope when the two creators and masterminds of the show will be dead some day that noone will be able to secure the rights and try to do some kind of a remake or continuation of it. But I fear it's like you said, that's the way of things.
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Postby StealThisCorn » Mon Sep 29, 2014 1:42 pm

noone will be able to secure the rights and try to do some kind of a remake or continuation of it


Well, for my part, I'd love to see someone revisit the mythology of the Twin Peaks world. There's so much more room left for interesting storylines and explorations.
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Postby hopesfall » Tue Sep 30, 2014 12:04 am

Apparently, at the Lucca film festival yesterday, Lynch said the following when asked about a Twin Peaks continuation:

That's a tricky question. I’ve always said, I love a continuing story, to love a world and be able to go deeper and deeper into that world. So there’s always a possibility… and you just have to wait and see.


He's said things like this over and over, and other people in the cast and crew have too, whilst others have completely dismissed the idea (Frost, Jennifer Lynch, etc). Personally, i'd love nothing more than for it to be left the hell alone. The only thing I'm personally interested in is things being unearthed from when it was made first time around.

I must admit, some kind of history or further dive into the mythology surrounding the supernatural elements would be interesting, perhaps in writing though rather than on the screen. That's just my personal opinion.
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Postby LostInTheMovies » Tue Sep 30, 2014 11:24 am

hopesfall wrote:Apparently, at the Lucca film festival yesterday, Lynch said the following when asked about a Twin Peaks continuation:

That's a tricky question. I’ve always said, I love a continuing story, to love a world and be able to go deeper and deeper into that world. So there’s always a possibility… and you just have to wait and see.


He's said things like this over and over, and other people in the cast and crew have too, whilst others have completely dismissed the idea (Frost, Jennifer Lynch, etc). Personally, i'd love nothing more than for it to be left the hell alone. The only thing I'm personally interested in is things being unearthed from when it was made first time around.

I must admit, some kind of history or further dive into the mythology surrounding the supernatural elements would be interesting, perhaps in writing though rather than on the screen. That's just my personal opinion.


The funny thing about it is if Twin Peaks were to "come back" it would ONLY be if Lynch was involved. And if Lynch was involved, it would be something so strange, unconventional, and unlike classic Twin Peaks that it would make Fire Walk With Me look mild. Personally, I wouldn't mind that at all but I suspect an Inland Empire-ish revisit is not what most people have in mind when they say "bring back Twin Peaks!" (Laura's speech in Between Two Worlds, the closest Lynch has and probably will come to a revisit, is an indication.) While something like that could be really cool - an even trippier meditation on the themes and images of that world - I have to say I'm happy with the cycle as it exists. It feels complete even though it was never intended to take the form it did.

I'm more concerned that Lynch might never make a feature film again! Although I have to admit, with some reluctance, that his body of work feels complete there as well. Just look at Eraserhead and Inland Empire - perfect mirror images bookending his career, striking both in their complete divergences and more subtle connections.
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Postby LostInTheMovies » Tue Sep 30, 2014 11:35 am

StealThisCorn wrote:I believe that Twin Peaks will inevitably recycle some time in the future and return as a reboot, like so many other popular media titles. While I would love nothing more than for Mark Frost, David Lynch and Angelo Badalamenti (and hell why not Harley Peyton and Robert Engels too) to collaborate together and lead this project, they may pass on to the White Lodge before any new Peaks projects receive the go ahead. But I feel that the title simply remains too popular, too recognizable and too under-developed for some aspiring network or creative mind to not reboot the series for a new generation eventually. I just hope that minds that have been influenced by and appreciate the kind of incredibly creative techniques of Lynch and the superb grasp of storyline, pacing and structure like Frost would be at the helm.

While the handling of this project would be, understandably, a cause for worry amongst us true fans of the original, even if the final product turned out to be an awful, caricatured piece of trash that completely missed the point, it's not like we wouldn't still have our beloved originals. They can never take those away from us. That said, I think it is also an exciting prospect, offering its creators the chance to more thoughtfully plan out the storylines, avoid the awful mistakes of the past and even propel the material further than the original was allowed to go and introduce new answers, twists and mysteries.

Obviously, we are talking a completely new, age-appropriate, cast to portray the pivotal characters necessary to kickstart the new series. Although, a few select actors could reprise their roles like no other, such as Al Strobel for the One-armed man, whose age wouldn't be a problem at all for his character and whose incredible voice I just can't see being replaced. The loss of Frank Silva is a tragedy to me because he's just so damn perfect at being a creepy bastard, but I imagine there is someone out there who could do the part justice. Or what if Sheryl Lee were cast as Sarah Palmer, now portraying Laura's mother? Kyle MacLlachlan as Gordon Cole? One could easily go too far with such fan service, but it's exciting to imagine the possibilities. A new cast of modern actors would, in turn, of course, change the personalities of the characters somewhat and "update" them for the modern day. Modern audiences are far more cynical and tolerate much less melodrama and artificially-contrived plot stupidity (there's a reason James and Donna are probably the least favorite characters with modern audiences who get into Twin Peaks).

But also imagine everything that's changed in the last 25 years (of which I confess, I have only been alive for going on 24 of them). Just think how many ways modern technology and the capabilities of today's FBI would affect the Laura Palmer investigation and thus how it would have to be altered to hold up and the interesting ways this would cause the story to naturally diverge from the original. For example, in the Pilot, Sara wouldn't have had to call all over around town to find out if Laura was there if she could just call, or *gasp*, text, Laura's cell phone. Likewise, with the proliferation of the internet, gone are the days when clandestine sex hookups were a complicated affair involving a smutty magazine clearinghouse using shady P.O. boxes to ensure no direct, traceable contact between advertisers and clients. Philip Gerard would probably be using a clozapine mixture these days instead of the out-dated haloperidol cocktail.

Likewise, the show's intensity, both in plot and subject matter, would have to be ratcheted up quite a bit to engage modern audiences the same way the original did. Though some of the creepiest moments, like Ronette's dream in Episode 8 or Maddy's murder in Episode 14 still hold up very well in terms of raw horror, it's also true that what was shocking and edgy in 1990 isn't anymore now in 2014. Think of shows that followed like Millenium, Criminal Minds, Dexter and True Detective. The nudity, profanity, and violence, both sexual and otherwise, that was mostly implied before, would now enter the foreground. Laura's corpse wouldn't be the pristine sculpture it is, but display numerous grisly stab wounds. The Red Room and the Lodge entities would need to be even more creepy, occupying the same cultural place as something like the modern Slenderman perhaps. Instead of lingerie ads in Fleshworld, we're probably talking underage porn clips on some darkweb youtube out there. To avoid annoying modern audiences, Cooper's wide-eyed embrace of the town and groundless leaps in logic should probably mature into a guarded suspicion of the dangerous small town and its many secrets and logical investigation procedures that our detail-oriented watch and watch again minds can appreciate (Broadchurch anyone?). Of course it goes without saying that his unorthodox use of dreams, meditation and such should remain an intrinsic quirk of the character, but it should be what empowers him to bypass the limitations of the material investigation into the murky world of the supernatural goings on, not justify irrational leaps throughout it. It seems hard to change the perfect narrative of Laura's father as the guilty party (the powerful themes of parental abuse and rape are just as relevant today as they were then sadly), which probably means those familiar with the story will already know who the killer is and, if they don't, the articles online will be happy to draw all the connections to the originals and spoil. So the show's other aspects will have to be just as powerful, compelling and appealing as the mystery to hold the interest of viewers like that.

This could bring a new generation into the world of Twin Peaks as well as surprise the faithful fans. No pressure to "reveal the killer" before all the storylines, onion layers and red herrings have been squeezed out of it (rather than wasting our time with red herrings when we have already seen who the killer is), no forcing subpar meandering storylines like Evelyn Marsh, Little Nicky, General Benjamin Horne, no forced ties to outdated real world stuff like Project Bluebook or the 90s UFO/conspiracy craze and, most excitingly, once all has been covered, updated and corrected, completely original new material going past the storyline cut short by the original failures of the series and the film!

Alright so that's what I think, but I want to see a big discussion about all your ideas for how the storylines for a reboot Twin Peaks, set in the modern day, would go. How would it be different? What unexpected places would those differences take the story? If you're looking for a Twin Peaks fanfiction project, how about a new Pilot, for starters, set in the modern day?


I think it would make me wince way too much. For one thing, completely updating the world of Twin Peaks would kind of miss the point - yes, there are "dated" aspects from the show being made in 1990. But there's also a lot of timeless stuff which has nothing to do with the 90s and everything to do with Lynch's pseudo-50s fetishes. So Sarah texting Leland and so forth would not only "update" Twin Peaks to the present but also lose that timeless quality which was integral to the show. Frankly, I think it's too hard to parse out what's "90s/dated" about the show and what's "pseudo-50s/timeless" (although the difference between the non-Lynch and Lynch-directed episodes provides major clues) and anyone attempting to subtly reboot the series while retaining this timeless quality would invariably fall flat.

The problem with the whole thing is it would be way too calculated. Twin Peaks' flaws and strengths are both due to the fact that it was being essentially made up on the fly: certain key elements were placed ahead of time, but the vast bulk of the show was the result of random inspiration. Lightning can't strike twice like that. I'd take even the dismal stretches of season 2 over a tasteful, thoughtful reboot because at least it was part of the same process that birthed the best moments of Twin Peaks. Just my 2 cents!
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Postby LostInTheMovies » Tue Sep 30, 2014 11:43 am

Incidentally, this makes me think about the problems I have with the new Star Wars projects too. I have big issues with the prequels, but at the end of the day they are Lucas' vision and I'd prefer that to something cooked up by committee to best appeal to Star Wars fans. In an age where iconic characters and worlds are presented as "belonging" to corporations, I prefer as much as possible to see them linked to their original creators. It's refreshing to be reminded that art is born from the inspiration of individual consciousness, not designed in an orderly fashion by well-paid worker bees. Obviously this is even more the case with someone as original as David Lynch, but it's something I feel generally too.
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Postby Mb3 » Tue Sep 30, 2014 7:11 pm

LostInTheMovies wrote:I'm more concerned that Lynch might never make a feature film again! Although I have to admit, with some reluctance, that his body of work feels complete there as well. Just look at Eraserhead and Inland Empire - perfect mirror images bookending his career, striking both in their complete divergences and more subtle connections.


Believe it or not but these are exact the same thoughts that I have had about a possible career end of Lynch as a filmmaker. Of course I'd also love to see him do another one if he's up to it but like you mentioned it somehow feels like it'd be a perfect end if Inland Empire was his last picture.
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Postby StealThisCorn » Sat Oct 04, 2014 6:58 am

I have big issues with the prequels, but at the end of the day they are Lucas' vision and I'd prefer that to something cooked up by committee to best appeal to Star Wars fans.

But that's actually the problem. The original Star Wars trilogy wasn't solely Lucas' vision, but the final product of a lengthy collaboration between Lucas and minds like Kasdan etc. In fact, if you go back and look at some of the original story treatments Lucas wrote in isolation, they are extremely different and if they had gone to shoot, like that, I think they would have fallen flat. Lucas is good with worldbuilding, but, as the prequels showed, he absolutely needed criticism, controls and collaboration. The prequels represent a thoroughly commercialized Lucas with an infinite budget and no one with the balls, or executive authority, to meaningfully challenge his stupid ideas or tell him to rein it in. And when compared to the originals, I think they were terrible in just about every way. Lucas is still part of the upcoming Star Wars sequel project in some kind of advisory capacity, so I'd hope that with him not being in control, we will get another worthwhile SW addition.

Similarly, Twin Peaks worked so well because of the strong collaboration between David Lynch and Mark Frost. I, personally, love the FWWM film, but I do imagine it could have been even better if Frost had worked with Lynch and Engels on it, as that surely produced the best Peaks material. But it does bother me how uneven the Peaks material is--some of it is so, so good and brilliant, and then some of it was just so dull, frustrating, self-destructive and poorly executed. It sucks a little that all of that is bundled together in one package called Twin Peaks, so I wouldn't mind seeing what kinds of ideas would come about from a rewrite. At the same time, of course, I'd love a "25 years later" continuation, historical period piece or really anything new from Lynch (and Frost and Engels etc.) set in that mythological world.

I just wrote the OP because I was having fun daydreaming about what a modern Twin Peaks would be like.

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