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Re: NO SPOILERS: Twin Peaks Season 3 on Showtime May 21st 2017

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Mordeen wrote:However that paint color, more often than not, is puke green. Using the horror genre as an example, Halloween, A Nightmare On Elm Street, The Amityville Horror. . .Poltergeist for crap's sake! All pointless, mediocre cash grabs that relied on and took advantage of an existing fan base and fell far short.
And yet, for every horror movie remake/reboot that's of lesser quality, there seems to be one that turns out to be quite good, in some cases even excellent, actually surpassing the quality of the original. To stay limited to the modern age (not touching such vintage remakes that have become classics in their own right during the years, such as The Thing, The Fly and Night of the Living Dead remakes), Texas Chainsaw Massacre, Dawn of the Dead, Willard, The Hills Have Eyes, House of Wax, Last House on the Left, Evil Dead, for example, are all remakes that are very well done and shouldn't be looked down on when comparisons with the originals are made.
For my part, I never understood all the hatred and outrage that's directed at remakes in the horror community. Some stories are so larger than life and all-around poignant they deserve to be told/shown more than one time, and it's always fun to compare the different versions or takes on them, if you will. Besides, remakes can turn out to be quite useful in alerting the younger generations to the older versions they wouldn't even know that exist if it hadn't been for the new versions; they also broaden the genre specter and enrich the viewer's choice, what is never a bad thing. At the very least, a remake, even it turns out to be a cash-grabbing piece of toxic excrement (like the remake of John Carpenter's The Fog is), never takes anything away from an original - it's still there on its shelf, where it's always been, its popularity even reinforced by the (inferior) remake.
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Re: NO SPOILERS: Twin Peaks Season 3 on Showtime May 21st 2017

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Agent Earle wrote:
Mordeen wrote:However that paint color, more often than not, is puke green. Using the horror genre as an example, Halloween, A Nightmare On Elm Street, The Amityville Horror. . .Poltergeist for crap's sake! All pointless, mediocre cash grabs that relied on and took advantage of an existing fan base and fell far short.
And yet, for every horror movie remake/reboot that's of lesser quality, there seems to be one that turns out to be quite good, in some cases even excellent, actually surpassing the quality of the original. To stay limited to the modern age (not touching such vintage remakes that have become classics in their own right during the years, such as The Thing, The Fly and Night of the Living Dead remakes), Texas Chainsaw Massacre, Dawn of the Dead, Willard, The Hills Have Eyes, House of Wax, Last House on the Left, Evil Dead, for example, are all remakes that are very well done and shouldn't be looked down on when comparisons with the originals are made.
For my part, I never understood all the hatred and outrage that's directed at remakes in the horror community. Some stories are so larger than life and all-around poignant they deserve to be told/shown more than one time, and it's always fun to compare the different versions or takes on them, if you will. Besides, remakes can turn out to be quite useful in alerting the younger generations to the older versions they wouldn't even know that exist if it hadn't been for the new versions; they also broaden the genre specter and enrich the viewer's choice, what is never a bad thing. At the very least, a remake, even it turns out to be a cash-grabbing piece of toxic excrement (like the remake of John Carpenter's The Fog is), never takes anything away from an original - it's still there on its shelf, where it's always been, its popularity even reinforced by the (inferior) remake.
The Thing. Only one I'll give credit for. Fantastic. All the others you mentioned still rot in my shit pile. I also don't see how throwing out a half assed remake with no heart serves the original in any way. It's like when you have a favorite pet that dies and you get a new pet and name it the same. It's never the same. But whatever. Season 3, The Return, isn't a damned reboot, and that was my overly debated point. Dear Cthulhu where's that spoiler thread when we need it?

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The Evil Dead remake? Seriously?
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Agent Sam Stanley wrote:The Evil Dead remake? Seriously?
The Evil Dead remake is surprisingly great. It plays it straight, like the original was intended (it just ended up being unintentionally funny, and they rolled with it from Evil Dead 2 and beyond). Raimi/Tapert/Campbell produced it, and did it through their production company, so, I think they must've felt it was at least respectful. The director of it went on to do "Don't Breathe" which I've heard is a really tight thriller.

Surprised to see anyone diss the 80's Fly remake from Cronenberg, which is a certified classic. Scarface comes to mind as well as another remake done right (though I don't think the 80s film has aged terribly well). The 70's Invasion of the Bodysnatchers is incredible. David Fincher's Girl with the Dragon Tattoo (though, I suppose it gets muddier as to whether it's a remake of the Swedish film, or just another separate adaptation of the novel itself).

Anyway, I have nothing against remakes/reboots, because they're usually 50/50 in terms of quality, and they've been going on as long as films been invented (hell, there are directors that remade their own movies when film transitioned to sound). It's only really annoying when either a) not enough time has passed (I like Tom Holland as Spider-man .. but really, three Spider-men since 2007?), or b) they don't offer anything new (the Robocop remake comes to mind, which sucked all the personality out of the original and didn't replace it with anything redeeming).

As for the whole 'reboot' thing. Eh, it's semantics. And I think it gets a bit confused where you have some film franchises that are .. sort of being rebooted, but also retaining one or two legacy cast. Abrams' Star Trek's are seen as reboots, even though they don't actually erase canon (as they split off from a time travel/alternate universe related shenanigan and retain Leonard Nimoy's Spock). So, I do think there's a bit of leeway in it's usage. Jurassic World essentially fits the bill as a reboot; the franchise hadn't had a sequel in a decade plus, it's an entirely new cast, and the lip service paid to the originals is super unimportant to the plot. Sure, it ticks that box for diehards who really care, but, the originals matter in essentially no way to the film itself as it's resets the status quo (the Jurassic Park got opened up, despite the previous three films showing what a dumb idea it would be). I do think it's less than accurate for Peaks, which seems to have original cast in important major roles, making it far more of a sequel, but, I just really don't think it's worth getting worked up about. To some extent, franchises can be rebooted with a sequel simply because they've been so dormant for so long, and often the plots have to distance themselves from the originals simply because they can't rely on people having seen the originals (I mean, I do expect Season 3 to at least some extent stand on it's own in order for new viewers to not be completely lost). The new Jumanji film is supposed to be a sequel, but without any of the original cast returning, so, what difference do these terms even make beyond marketing?
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Just wondering why Theresa Banks never showed up in one of the Lodges
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Re: NO SPOILERS: Twin Peaks Season 3 on Showtime May 21st 2017

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Mordeen wrote: The Thing. Only one I'll give credit for. Fantastic. All the others you mentioned still rot in my shit pile. I also don't see how throwing out a half assed remake with no heart serves the original in any way. It's like when you have a favorite pet that dies and you get a new pet and name it the same. It's never the same. But whatever. Season 3, The Return, isn't a damned reboot, and that was my overly debated point. Dear Cthulhu where's that spoiler thread when we need it?
Come on, man, The Fly and House of Wax originals are downright laughable when it comes to their remakes, and I also maintain that The Evil Dead and The Hills Have Eyes are actually way better then the overrated first versions; and while I'd grant you that Texas Chainsaw Massacre and Dawn of the Dead are better in their first versions, the second ones are far from bad movies - plus they actually wound up having a huge historical importance for the genre, as the first popularized backwoods brutality (and, to some extent, torture porn) flicks and the second did marvels for the Millennial zombie cinema resurgence. So you see, those are actually honest-to-God good things to come out of the lambasted reboot camp. Plus I'll bet you they - like any other majorly promoted remakes - turned on people's awareness of the existence of the originals (like, "Hey, dude, did you know there's another version of this flick from 20 years ago?" "No, seriously? Let's go check it out!"). The comparison with the dead pet situation really doesn't hold water 'cause in the latter case, your former pet is dead and gone and nothing, not even a new pet, can bring it back; whereas in the case of the movie originals and their remakes, the opposite is true - the new version makes people remember the old one, seeing it again and in so doing granting the latter a new lease of "life".

I agree with your main point about TP not being a reboot though; and my rude going off on a tangent was simply me trying to make conversation in the absence of any solid new TP news, so no need to get worked up about it. :)
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Re: NO SPOILERS: Twin Peaks Season 3 on Showtime May 21st 2017

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Rudagger wrote:
The Evil Dead remake is surprisingly great. It plays it straight, like the original was intended (it just ended up being unintentionally funny, and they rolled with it from Evil Dead 2 and beyond). Raimi/Tapert/Campbell produced it, and did it through their production company, so, I think they must've felt it was at least respectful. The director of it went on to do "Don't Breathe" which I've heard is a really tight thriller.

Surprised to see anyone diss the 80's Fly remake from Cronenberg, which is a certified classic. Scarface comes to mind as well as another remake done right (though I don't think the 80s film has aged terribly well). The 70's Invasion of the Bodysnatchers is incredible. David Fincher's Girl with the Dragon Tattoo (though, I suppose it gets muddier as to whether it's a remake of the Swedish film, or just another separate adaptation of the novel itself).

Anyway, I have nothing against remakes/reboots, because they're usually 50/50 in terms of quality, and they've been going on as long as films been invented (hell, there are directors that remade their own movies when film transitioned to sound). It's only really annoying when either a) not enough time has passed (I like Tom Holland as Spider-man .. but really, three Spider-men since 2007?), or b) they don't offer anything new (the Robocop remake comes to mind, which sucked all the personality out of the original and didn't replace it with anything redeeming).
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I've always hoped to see a second installment from the guys who did Evil Dead remake (they announced it after the remake premiered, but everything's been quiet on that front since, so I guess it ain't happening) - I'd love that much much more than the appearance of the ridiculously comical sitcom that is Ash vs Evil Dead.
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It's just this simple, the 2017 version of Twin Peaks is called Season 3; iow it's a continuation. Have you, newbie, missed the previous 2 seasons, well then you know what you have to do: watch it quickly now, because there are only 24 days to go.
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Rudagger wrote: The Evil Dead remake is surprisingly great.
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Xavi wrote:It's just this simple, the 2017 version of Twin Peaks is called Season 3;
Says who? I don't recall Lynch or Frost ever calling it that.
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Mr. Reindeer wrote:
Xavi wrote:It's just this simple, the 2017 version of Twin Peaks is called Season 3;
Says who? I don't recall Lynch or Frost ever calling it that.
I can't recall Lynch or Frost ever call Twin Peaks Season 1 or 2 neither. Anyways, here is some source, of course we can go nitpicking until the cows feel naked, but that's not my cup of coffee...
Twin Peaks' Season 3 Plot

Here's the official Twin Peaks Season 3 plot, courtesy of Showtime
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Currently in production, Twin Peaks is written and produced by series creators and executive producers David Lynch and Mark Frost and is directed entirely by David Lynch. While the full mystery awaits, fans can expect many familiar faces, including Golden Globe winner and Emmy Award nominee Kyle MacLachlan, who reprises his role as FBI Special Agent Dale Cooper.

Widely considered one of the most groundbreaking and influential broadcast series of all time, Twin Peaks followed the inhabitants of a quaint northwestern town who were stunned after their homecoming queen Laura Palmer was shockingly murdered. The town’s sheriff welcomed the help of FBI Special Agent Dale Cooper, who came to town to investigate the case. As Cooper conducted his search for Laura’s killer, the town’s secrets were gradually exposed. The mystery that ensued set off an eerie chain of events that plunged the inhabitants of Twin Peaks into a darker examination of their very existence. Twenty-five years later, the story continues
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Lynch has decisively not called it season 3 at any time, just "new Twin Peaks".

Frost did use the term in a couple of occasions though, e.g. during his Reddit AMA.
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Xavi wrote:I can't recall Lynch or Frost ever call Twin Peaks Season 1 or 2 neither.
Lynch has repeatedly and deliberately referred to "The Return" as a movie in 18 parts. Based on that, I don't see this as being "season 3" anymore than FWWM is.
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Just saw Trainspotting 2 and Mark Renton's "children" are called Laura and James. He's def a TP fan.
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Very off-topic but can anyone recommend a decent set of headphones (reasonably priced) for watching films? I'm going to be watching the premiere in the early hours of the morning so I can't play it through my sound system as I have neighbours to consider.
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