Re: Different Twin Peaks podcasts
Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2017 12:56 am
Somebody call 119 — we've got a big burn here!
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AgentEcho wrote:I don't jive with fans lamenting about how a show isn't what they wanted. I really couldn't be less interested in what fans want out of a work of fiction. I find no value in it. I have no patience with fans who say things like "This isn't Twin Peaks". Actually it is, and the only people who get to define what Twin Peaks is is Mark Frost and David Lynch. Fans who try and claim higher authority then them are basically delusional.
tamygdala wrote:... and TPTR, in my opinion, was never intended to be an extension of the original series -- so comparing the two is futile.
mickeyfickey wrote:Twin Peaks Podcast wrote:On a side note, I just listened to Brad Duke's episode on part 17 and it was very cathartic to hear someone so prominent in the Twin Peaks fandom have all the same issues I have with it. Made me feel less alone, which is something other people have said about our podcast. So now I know how they feel.
Except Brad has a way of articulating himself and providing concrete examples of where he feels The Return may have fallen short, which is great. On the other hand, your podcast consistently provides the most childish, insubstantial critiques. No discussion of subtext, or themes, recurring motifs, theories, etc. It embodies the absolute worst aspects of "recapper culture", peppered with long awkward silences between guests and you just interjecting with "What did you think of the next scene?" and a chorus of sarcastic responses. I'm sorry, but Brad must have said "I just don't trust David Lynch" a million fucking times in every episode. There is nothing of substance, or value, in listening to a viewpoint like that.
I think to label those critical of your podcast as simply being Lynch apologists is to simplify the listening audience to a great extent. There are very intelligent people out there that like to hear differing viewpoints, but they should be articulated properly and have some guest that can dive substantively into the content, not just "LOL, that sucks. It was dumb."
Not to mention the way that you guys would handle the criticism: Hand the feedback to Brad and just have him tell those writing in to "Fuck off". Yeah that really helps endear you to a listening audience
I started to listen to your review of episode 16, which is probably the most universally enjoyed of the entire new run, and you all used it as an opportunity for 22 minutes to bash:
Lynch's other projects
Chantal eating cheesies, no one can eat that many cheesies, lol
OMFG Lynch hates women and can't portray female characters.
Naomi Watts and her line delivery (really?)
Like Oh My God Lynch is staring at all the FBI machinery and they even had a FAX MACHINE THERE. A FAX MACHINE!!!!!
All this and we're 20 minutes into your podcast. Literally not one single positive comment. At which point you even stop and say "I know I'm being negative here, but it's just fun". Really? I would doubt there is anything other than a very small niche of Twin Peaks fans (or casual listeners in general) who would find any of that "FUN" to listen to, or gather any legitimate critiques from it.
Listening to the idlethumbs, entertainment weekly, twin peaks unwrapped or dishin' the percolator podcasts was immensely more entertaining, because the guests had flowing conversations and more than just a superficial analysis of the content.
Maybe this is a bit of harsh commentary on the quality of your podcast, but honestly since you're no stranger to handing out criticism, I'm sure you can take it in stride as well.
Brad D wrote:I have mad respect for anyone that puts in the time to produce a podcast and take a look at Twin Peaks. It is a labor of love. The medium is not for everybody. I hardly listened to any other podcasts (or hung out here) during The Return because I wanted to keep my viewpoint my own.
Listening to people break down an episode of TP is definitely not everyone's cup of tea, but I wanted to document the week-to-week journey for my own entertainment and provide those who wanted a take on things that weren't their own. I don't remember telling anyone to "fuck off," but if I did, it was probably well deserved.
I liked a good majority of TPTR, and I don't relish in criticizing the rest of it. The highs were high for me, and the lows were very disappointing and frustrating. I'm honestly shocked at the blowback on people who criticized TPTR. I get why people love it, and I get why people hate it, and I think it's all valid. If you don't like a podcast, there is a very easy solution in not listening. That's all I got.
Brad D wrote:Listening to people break down an episode of TP is definitely not everyone's cup of tea, but I wanted to document the week-to-week journey for my own entertainment and provide those who wanted a take on things that weren't their own. I don't remember telling anyone to "fuck off," but if I did, it was probably well deserved.