No Spoilers Poll: Thumbs Up, Thumbs Down or 'Meh' On S3?

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What do you think of Season 3 So Far (Parts 1-4)

Poll ended at Mon Jun 05, 2017 4:36 am

A Big Thumbs up
83
87%
Thumbs Down
2
2%
Mehhhhh
3
3%
Wait and See (not yet decided)
7
7%
 
Total votes: 95
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No Spoilers Poll: Thumbs Up, Thumbs Down or 'Meh' On S3?

Postby mtwentz » Wed May 24, 2017 4:36 am

Obviously, from the posts going around, there are some posters who really love the new season, some who are on the fence, some who kind of like it but it has not met their expectations (the 'meh' crowd) and some who do not like it at all. I am just curious how the community overall is taking the new series.
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Re: No Spoilers Poll: Thumbs Up, Thumbs Down or 'Meh' On S3?

Postby Coffee » Wed May 24, 2017 4:53 am

Posting on Tapatalk so can't see if there's an actual poll in the OP, however it gets a thumbs up from me.

A-typical Lynch which for me means that it's shocking but it stays with you and "grows" in your mind.
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Re: No Spoilers Poll: Thumbs Up, Thumbs Down or 'Meh' On S3?

Postby StrangerDanger » Wed May 24, 2017 7:05 am

Main reason for "big thumbs up" = [Symbol - no spoilers].

They say [Symbol - no spoilers] was procured after MJA / DKL rift. Yet we see it in Julee Cruise's Voice of Love album (1993), artwork: Lynch & Recchion.
And in the original series (?) Laura says "Meanwhile .... [Symbol - no spoilers]".

This is genius.

Suggestion though: "thumbs up" as an option, next to "big thumbs up".
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No Spoilers Poll: Thumbs Up, Thumbs Down or 'Meh' On S3?

Postby Agent Sam Stanley » Wed May 24, 2017 9:12 am

Mixed opinion so far. There are things that I like and others I don't. I wouldn't say I'm 'meh' about it, but I'm not in love with it either.
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Re: No Spoilers Poll: Thumbs Up, Thumbs Down or 'Meh' On S3?

Postby Jasper » Wed May 24, 2017 8:53 pm

I already did a poll. It's in the season 3 section:

:arrow: viewtopic.php?f=29&t=3552

153 votes and counting.
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Re: No Spoilers Poll: Thumbs Up, Thumbs Down or 'Meh' On S3?

Postby Melong » Thu May 25, 2017 2:56 am

Isn't this second non-spoiler pole redundant? What use is a vote on season 3's quality without the means to freely elaborate? Anyone not wishing to be spoiled can simply restrict themselves the results on page 1 of the spoiler pole and has no business voting anyway.
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Re: No Spoilers Poll: Thumbs Up, Thumbs Down or 'Meh' On S3?

Postby IcedOver » Wed May 31, 2017 10:18 am

Guess this is as good a place as any for a mini-review. Very mild references to specific things may follow. I was late to the party, waiting to watch the first four parts until I had finished re-watching the original show and movie on Blu-ray, and reading Frost's book (I also went to the movie in a theater via BD projection on Monday). I watched them Monday and Tuesday, and have re-watched 1 and 2. Some background -- I call Lynch my "sentimental favorite" filmmaker because of the long association, but I have no trouble calling him out. My feelings on this show have gone back and forth, but sadly they're trending towards the negative. Considering the (unprecedented?) structure of this show, it's difficult for any of us to offer a full appraisal. At the moment, things aren't looking good.

Even the most ardent supporters of this new series have to admit that expectations factor in. "TP", at its best, probably had the most distinctive style/rhythm/look of any TV show in history. It's hard to let go of that style in your mind when looking at this new show, even though we all expected that it would be different and were okay with the idea in theory. Just how different it is, is what's shocking, so much so that I don't know why the original theme in the same form is even used. Lynch's second season episodes, and of course the movie, showed him kind of throwing out the established conventions of previous episodes. It's clear he has no interest in continuing what others or even he had done (and that was exhilarating; perhaps my favorite episode is number 8 where he totally changed the rhythms of the first season). It feels like Lynch is challenging us more than ever with this new show (at least I hope it is a conscious challenge on his part) to let go. I'm hoping that at some point (perhaps when a certain character "comes back") we're meant to feel the passage of time (the one scene so far like that, in the police station in 4, fell flat and felt artificial).

Even getting past the expectations game (which is easy; you can't fight with it too much), what's on the screen has to work. To me, it largely hasn't so far. It's absurdist, traditional Lynch subject matter, but it's not very funny, not scary (no, the NYC scene wasn't scary), not terribly involving, and most glaring of all, not emotional or introspective. Some of this does go back to expectations, but this is beyond just what you'd expect from Lynch or "TP"; much of it isn't working on any level. Where's the emotion, the feeling? Even though "Inland" is a great movie, its greatest flaw is the blank that is Dern's character. This show makes that look like a deep character study. The new characters so far are fluff, nothing, just tools. One of the greatest characters in TV history is also just
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a shell (literally)
. Will the show turn a corner and gel when he returns? I don't know. The rhythms are off. Lynch uses music and sound better than perhaps any other director, and he's not afraid to use them as equal to anything happening on screen, not to overpower it, but as drivers. So much of this show is silent, particularly the sheriff's station stuff, which is just dreadful (I wanted to kill myself during a scene with a former child actor). Again, it's not just that it's different, but that it doesn't work in and of itself. It feels energy-less, rushed, rusty. The episode dividers are hipster bands playing largely uninspired music in a stiff fashion (one miming without its main instrument, the synth). Did hipster bands apply to be on this show or something?

Topping my list of issues is the look of the show. The digital cinematography and lighting are dreadful. Clarity is the enemy of the absurd and surreal. The whole thing is too clean looking and sharp. It should have been shot on film or, barring that, a MiniDV camcorder like "Inland". I suspected that the length of it would lead to rushed set-ups, and it feels like that's the case.

So I don't know, guys. This is the piece of filmed (or I guess "recorded") entertainment that has made me the most anxious of anything for the past few years, and I desperately want it to be great. I re-watched some pieces of parts 3 and 4 this morning and felt more positive, and could easily watch them again and have a different feeling. Lynch's stuff is sometimes like that -- you have up-and-down relationships with it. Sometimes I'll be able to get into stuff he does, and other times it leaves me cold, even movies I've watched multiple times. I've fought with "FWWM" for 25 years, but re-watching it recently after several years, I have turned a corner with it and like many aspects of that very flawed work. I liked "Inland", previously his most experimental work, instantly, but it took two viewings for "Lost Highway", and I still don't much like the film version of "Mulholland" and feel it's flawed and perhaps his worst movie, although I have had times where I liked aspects of it. This new thing doesn't feel even as good as what I previously considered his worst work, and if it doesn't improve, will be the worst.
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Re: No Spoilers Poll: Thumbs Up, Thumbs Down or 'Meh' On S3?

Postby bluefrank » Wed May 31, 2017 2:21 pm

Coffee wrote:Posting on Tapatalk so can't see if there's an actual poll in the OP, however it gets a thumbs up from me.

A-typical Lynch which for me means that it's shocking but it stays with you and "grows" in your mind.


You've got it in a nutshell. "Growth in your mind" is EXACTLY what this new series is fomenting - and I LOVE IT. It's left me with that 'Mulholland Drive' feeling - something I've been craving for ever since I first saw MD. I enjoy Lynch more - when on the surface level it makes very little sense - this is the challenge that I savour and it's one of Lynch's most impressive strengths. This new series has not disappointed and I love the heavy 'Eraserhead' influence of the opening few episodes too, especially the low vibrational/rumbling soundtrack.

I cannot agree with the previous poster's comment (above), but each to their own.
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Re: No Spoilers Poll: Thumbs Up, Thumbs Down or 'Meh' On S3?

Postby Jonah » Sat Jun 03, 2017 5:22 am

Apart from bits and pieces I still haven't rewatched the episodes, which tells me a lot - if I'd loved it I would have by now. I warmed to it with Episodes 3 & 4 and am going with the flow for what it is. But it isn't what I'd hoped it would be all these years - or even close to what I imagined it might be if it ever came back - and I can't say I've fallen in love with it yet. I may warm to it even more as it goes on - and when I rewatch the episodes properly.

The stuff I like - Laura & Coop in the Red Room, the TP-set scenes, and the Cooper and FBI bits in Ep 4 - are great, but I'd like to see more of these elements and less of the other, random-feeling "MD"-like scenes. Overall, I suppose I like it as a David Lynch TV show, but it just doesn't really feel like "Twin Peaks" to me.
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Re: No Spoilers Poll: Thumbs Up, Thumbs Down or 'Meh' On S3?

Postby Agent Earle » Sat Jun 03, 2017 5:42 am

Jonah wrote:Apart from bits and pieces I still haven't rewatched the episodes, which tells me a lot - if I'd loved it I would have by now. I warmed to it with Episodes 3 & 4 and am going with the flow for what it is. But it isn't what I'd hoped it would be all these years - or even close to what I imagined it might be if it ever came back - and I can't say I've fallen in love with it yet. I may warm to it even more as it goes on - and when I rewatch the episodes properly.

The stuff I like - Laura & Coop in the Red Room, the TP-set scenes, and the Cooper and FBI bits in Ep 4 - are great, but I'd like to see more of these elements and less of the other, random-feeling "MD"-like scenes. Overall, I suppose I like it as a David Lynch TV show, but it just doesn't really feel like "Twin Peaks" to me.


My sentiments to a T.
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Re: No Spoilers Poll: Thumbs Up, Thumbs Down or 'Meh' On S3?

Postby Talalay » Sat Jun 03, 2017 9:02 pm

It is already one thousand percent better than the wreck that was Season 2 from Leland's death onwards.
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Re: No Spoilers Poll: Thumbs Up, Thumbs Down or 'Meh' On S3?

Postby Agent Earle » Sat Jun 03, 2017 10:58 pm

Not even coincidentally.
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Re: No Spoilers Poll: Thumbs Up, Thumbs Down or 'Meh' On S3?

Postby IcedOver » Tue Jun 06, 2017 11:46 am

Jonah wrote:Apart from bits and pieces I still haven't rewatched the episodes, which tells me a lot - if I'd loved it I would have by now. I warmed to it with Episodes 3 & 4 and am going with the flow for what it is. But it isn't what I'd hoped it would be all these years - or even close to what I imagined it might be if it ever came back - and I can't say I've fallen in love with it yet. I may warm to it even more as it goes on - and when I rewatch the episodes properly.


I would re-watch the episodes. Look a few posts above for my reaction after two go-arounds with 1/2 and one with 3/4. I re-watched 3/4 and then had a first viewing of 5 last night, and my opinion has softened somewhat. I'm starting to accept the show for what it is rather than trying to force it into what I feel it should be or wanted it to be. I posted a longer review in the "Profoundly Disappointed" thread in the Season 3 story discussion forum.
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