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Can anybody confirm if the insurance guy who was speaking to Lucy, is in the meeting with Coop? Just read that elsrewhere. Could be interesting if so.

tamygdala wrote:Best one yet! Better balance of mystery, comedy, drama, and the surreal. There are so many puzzle pieces, just when some start to come together and take shape, a new piece appears, distorting everything. I love it! Roadhouse scene was aces!

The balance of all of the above was fantastic. The way Lynch is balancing all of these narratives and characters is amazing.

Mairzy wrote:Can anybody confirm if the insurance guy who was speaking to Lucy, is in the meeting with Coop? Just read that elsrewhere. Could be interesting if so.

Definitely didn't spot him, and very much doubt he was there.

I think the biggest difference and the biggest frustration with this new season 3 of Twin Peaks is that I feel I'm on the periphery of the story looking in. With the original twin Peaks I was immediately ensconced in the world of Twin Peaks It was warm, cozy like a blanket but there were these unsettling little bugs crawling in the grass beneath the blanket. Now I have no anchor to any of it. The scope is almost too big, the characters too varied to be able to invest in anyone. Perhaps if he had taken the characters of Twin Peaks and launched them on a journey to find Dale Cooper outside of the town and into the modern world it would have been something more akin to a post-modern wizard of oz but with characters we can identify with along the journey. My only faith in the show is knowing that David lynch is in complete control but also knowing that he seems to have lost focus as in Inland Empire, that faith is waning. My questions for Twin Peaks Season 3 are where are the stakes and what is the mystery? That Good Dale has to get back home and Bad Dale has to go back to the lodge is not a mystery at all, it's not even a high stakes game. Even if Dale Cooper does eventually make it back, as narratively painful as it seems to be after 5 episodes, I don't think he will be the old Dale Cooper/Jeffrey Beaumont. And if that's the case, will it have been worth it to follow this journey for all 18 episodes (versus the focused and intense 8 of season 1)? And will I ever want to re-watch this season 3 again (versus the the repeatability of season 1)? I get that the world is big and corrupt filled with weak and corrupt characters. But I can get that corruption from so many other shows like Breaking Bad or House of Cards,Westworld. And they do it well, still within a contained world abd they at least spend time with their main characters allowing us to invest in their journey, regardless if it's upwards or spiraling down.

I want Twin Peaks the town as much as Twin Peaks the show with its specific tone, mystery and memorable characters who I can hang out with like a high school reunion. I want to see how they have changed and grown or not grown and what new mysteries still lie buried there.

Right now it feels so episodic as we move from one set piece to the next, spanning the entire globe, where the most interesting characters are the Matthew Lillard or the boy and his mother who live across from Dougie. And honestly the show is committing the biggest sin, it's getting boring. TV executives love to push more story lines, more characters, more subplots but Twin Peaks can navigate that inside a contained world. My fear is now the world of Twin Peaks is so big, the characters so varied, Season 3 has succumbed to the pitfalls of confusion and apathy. It's like TP Season 3 is Lynch's TV version of Dune. Something I will enjoy many years later and only a few specific moments, discarding the rest as one big failed, yet somewhat interesting experiment.

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Mairzy wrote:Can anybody confirm if the insurance guy who was speaking to Lucy, is in the meeting with Coop? Just read that elsrewhere. Could be interesting if so.

Definitely didn't spot him, and very much doubt he was there.

I didn't see him, the only one I can think of is the latte guy. Will check the end credits to be sure when it is made available.

Richard Horne is either the offspring of Jerry Horne and Heba from the Iceland delegation in Season 1, or RIchard Horne is the offspring of Audrey Horne and Dale Cooper. I think if Lynch/Forst are willing to ignore Annie's existence, then they are equally willing to ignore John Justice Wheeler and his Where's Waldo sweater as well.

Sad we haven't seen the Haywards or Big Ed yet, but at least the drug plot in town is moving forward with Richard/Becky/Steven/Deputy Chad. This storyline is already making the scenes from in-town cohere together a little more.

Loved Jacoby and his gold shovels being a massive misdirection of us amateur sleuths that try to make every detail overly significant. And I loved that Nadine was so into it.

Frank Truman and his wife was a nice touch, it really showed us how Frank and Harry are different characters. Harry, the tortured and stoic loner, might look at his brother's domestic situation and appreciate the single life a little more.

Truman's wife is played by Candy Clark. She is not a local actress and was in films such as 'American Graffiti' and 'The Man Who Fell To Earth' with David Bowie.

My main concern at this point is just that this is all happening veeeeery slowly, even by Lynch's standards, and I'm not sure how believably they can tie all this together. I'm assuming (as others suggested) that the glass box in NYC is a Lodge portal, that Buenos Aires has something to do with Jeffries, and that EvilCooper and/or the Black Lodge is behind the murders in Buckthorn, so I can see those threads converging as the FBI investigation progresses and (presumably) Cooper's hotel key finds its way back to Twin Peaks. But I'm not feeling too invested in the goings-on in Vegas at this point. If Cooper isn't going to regain his memory and identity any time soon, then maybe it would be better to focus on the other characters rather than spend twenty minutes on "Dougie" acting strange. And there seems to be some sort of shady criminal business going on between that scene with the actor from the Winky's scene in MD and the casino manager getting beaten up and fired, but how would that be related to the Lodges or to anything happening in Twin Peaks?

chromereflectsimage wrote:Anyone else get the feeling the Warden knew what DoppelCooper meant when he mentioned Mr. Strawberry?

Yeah. It was reminiscent of Leland/BOB referencing "what happened in Pittsburgh" to Cooper in Season 2. Clearly Mr. Strawberry is someone from the warden's past he'd like to forget.

AgentEcho wrote:Well they went there with the CGI Bob.

I don't think it was CGI. Well, maybe CGI enhanced but I think they used the shot of Bob in the mirror in the season 2 scene where Leland is with Donna, and then they morphed that into Cooper's face. I think the grin looked quite the same.

First opinions, then I go to bed. I enjoyed the episode, but it's the weakest so far.
I do love Dougie but I hope that by the beginning of Episode 7 we have a mature Cooper around. I guess three episode of droolingCoop (arrival, life, awakening) make sense.
Roadhouse scene was creepy as hell. It was great to see the RR.
BadCooper/BOB that was a beautiful, beautiful scene.


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The Dougie stuff is great; I think we are all just getting antsy because we want Coop to return to form and now we have to wait a whole week again to see if he will. It's nothing less than a wonderful Jacques Tati Hulot homage, and in this corporate setting it reminded me of Playtime.

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chromereflectsimage wrote:Anyone else get the feeling the Warden knew what DoppelCooper meant when he mentioned Mr. Strawberry?

Yeah. It was reminiscent of Leland/BOB referencing "what happened in Pittsburgh" to Cooper in Season 2. Clearly Mr. Strawberry is someone from the warden's past he'd like to forget.

Maybe Mr. Strawberry is the undercover agent Albert leaked to Cooper and who got killed a week after.

FlyingSquirrel wrote: If Cooper isn't going to regain his memory and identity any time soon, then maybe it would be better to focus on the other characters rather than spend twenty minutes on "Dougie" acting strange.

That's what I'm afraid of. I would hope the other older characters aren't just going to pop in and out throughout the season without having any true relevance to the overall narrative. What I loved about the original show was that it felt like an ensemble and EVERY ONE was given focus and felt just as important as the next with Cooper simply being at the very center of these intersecting plotlines. I loved this episode and thought it was well-balanced but I'm also praying that this season doesn't become a slapstick sitcom starring Droolcoop with TP vets making cameos.

I was just thinking how pissed some of you would be if DroolCoop stuck around until the very last episode.