Part 5 - Case files (SPOILERS)

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Ragnell wrote:Jacoby went from being a guy who was a positive influence on people's lives, a piece of charming eccentricity in a charmingly eccentric town, to a negative influence on the very people he used to heal and help.
Jacoby is supposed to be be a bizarre hippy psychiatrist. Per Secret History of Twin Peaks we know he's written controversial books not accepted by mainsteam psychiatry and had hallucinogenic experiences with shamans in foreign lands .

He's probably inspired by folks like Timothy Leary, the notorious pro drugs, pro LSD psychologist.

I think Jacoby's youtube show has a positive effect on some people's lives, Nadine is smiling when watching it and Jerry is enjoying it. Like counter culture folks like Leary, some things they've done may have caused harm but others may have inspired and had a positive influence on people.

I don't know if we'll see the shovels again but they may be intended as a sort of metaphor/ fun trinket for his fans to buy, like Twin Peaks merchandise is just a fun thing to buy in the real world. Not sure.

I like Jacoby a lot. I like that there's this wacky guy keyed into the counter culture of the 60s and 70s. Having sex with Laura though was very much not okay.
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Manwith wrote:
Ragnell wrote: I like Jacoby a lot. I like that there's this wacky guy keyed into the counter culture of the 60s and 70s. Having sex with Laura though was very much not okay.
Did Jacoby have sex with Laura? I don't remember that ever having happened.
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Esselgee wrote:
Manwith wrote:
Ragnell wrote: I like Jacoby a lot. I like that there's this wacky guy keyed into the counter culture of the 60s and 70s. Having sex with Laura though was very much not okay.
Did Jacoby have sex with Laura? I don't remember that ever having happened.
I thought that was why he lost his medical license? Maybe I'm misremembering and he just lost it for being unprofessional in some other way?
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Manwith wrote:
Esselgee wrote:
Manwith wrote:
Did Jacoby have sex with Laura? I don't remember that ever having happened.
I thought that was why he lost his medical license? Maybe I'm misremembering and he just lost it for being unprofessional in some other way?
OK, I haven't gotten that far in the book yet, but I don't remember the show ever saying he had sex with Laura.
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Esselgee wrote:
Manwith wrote:
Esselgee wrote:
Did Jacoby have sex with Laura? I don't remember that ever having happened.
I thought that was why he lost his medical license? Maybe I'm misremembering and he just lost it for being unprofessional in some other way?
OK, I haven't gotten that far in the book yet, but I don't remember the show ever saying he had sex with Laura.
If memory serves, we never find out if Jacoby was sleeping with Laura; however, it is heavily implied that he wanted to/was trying.
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Hey, is anyone else thinking of the Fates for the Pink Ladies? One looks to the left, one to the right and the middle on straight ahead. TSHOTP says one of the two races of lodge spirits is "The Nordic Race" which could liken them to the Norns, and the Venus statue in the Red Room and the Saturn lamp bring up Greco-Roman deities, which also leads to the Fates/Triple Goddess if you see 3 women together. I mean yeah, at first I thought they were just showgirls but the fact that they aren't actually there and that they are posed in that particular way makes me think maybe they are a set of 3 Lodge spirits. Or they're just 3 actresses designed to evoke the feeling of looking at the Fates, to maybe drawn our attention to this scene as a momentous one (whether its a red herring or not.) I know its not like Lynch to use such a common trope, but.. its hard to believe he'd put such obvious posing in there without meaning for us to see that.
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Ragnell wrote:I've been thinking about the shoes and clothes and how identity ties into this fugue. Because its lasted so long I think most of us are giving up on a quick leap, but as its been pointed out he hasn't heard his real name yet. More importantly, he hasn't seen anyone ELSE in danger yet. I think his reaction to a direct threat might justify waking him up because so much of Cooper's true identity is wrapped up in protecting others. So far the threats have been out of his line of sight and vague, but they are circling from multiple areas. The $50k. Lorraine's gang. The casino mobsters. At some point Dougie-Coop will be facing real violence, probably with someone innocent nearby to protect. At that point... we should have an interesting reaction. Maybe another vision, maybe some muscle memory or some more progress or maybe a significant leap.

And... if Lorraine's redcar henchmen are on a mission from DoppelCoop, and there's a significant danger that violence might break this spell on him, that explains the distance. They would have been instructed not to engage him directly, to leave traps or shoot from far away.
I was thinking about Janey-E's absence at the end of part 5, and how she had urged Coop to call the people they owe money to that morning. He never did, so Janey-E may be in danger now and that's why she never picked Coop up from work. I'm really interested to see how he reacts to this potential hostage situation.
I am guessing that the people he was supposed to call work for the Mitchum Brothers.

If I were a betting man, first the Mitchums are going to try and beat him up. Then when they realize his talents, they are going to try an recruit him for their own nefarious ends. Maybe to cheat out all the other casinos?
The hostage idea is an interesting theory. It'd be interesting to see how he finds that out since right now he can't find his way home, does not have Dougie's cellphone, and doesn't have the motivation to leave the statue. He'll definitely need to SEE the danger to react.

Another reason I'm interested in how DougieCoop reacts to someone in danger is the "Split Cooper" theory. If Cooper's essence really was divided between him and his doppelganger, then he won't react violently to prevent violence, he'll stick to evading or warning. But if Dougie-Cooper is really Full Cooper Prime, if Dougie and Doppelcoop are just derivatives, then seeing him have the fighting ability will confirm it.
Wonderful & Strange wrote:I think Richard and Linda and two birds with one stone go together.

Richard and Linda alone mean nothing.

Richard and Linda need to somehow be taken down, either killed or otherwise neutralized.
It's possible that the Richard and Linda clue refers to the RELATIONSHIP between Richard and Linda. Is it referring to a husband and wife, brother and sister, or partners in crime pair?

The thought of twins occurred to me, given that the main conflict is DoppelCoop and Cooper. Someone in another thread brought up the Richard Horne = Audrey + DoppelCoop theory (the logistics of which are whacked, but not completely impossible by Lynch standards), and if that were the case I'd hope for Linda to be a lawful good twin sister to balance out Audrey's family and reflect the duality and identity themes. (And if Linda is not a twin sister, please let the Worst Horne We Have Yet Seen be Jerry's kid instead.)
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"He's got emotional problems. It runs in the family" - Audrey Horne
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Jerry Horne wrote:"He's got emotional problems. It runs in the family" - Audrey Horne
In which case she's believed the past 25 years that was the Real Coop, who left town out of shame (the weakness of letting his emotional reaction to her accident overcome his ability to resist temptation, of course), and that all the kid's problems are from her genes. Ouch. The Audrey's son theory just gets more and more heartwrenching.
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I still don't buy that EvilCoop + Audrey = Evil Dick theory.
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Denise's Pieces wrote:I still don't buy that EvilCoop + Audrey = Evil Dick theory.
yea - I also find this EvilCoop + Audrey = Evil Dick theory hard to swallow.
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Leebob wrote:
Denise's Pieces wrote:I still don't buy that EvilCoop + Audrey = Evil Dick theory.
yea - I also find this EvilCoop + Audrey = Evil Dick theory hard to swallow.
Just brainstorming, I have my fingers crossed he's Jerryspawn. In the meantime, are we all agreeing on Evil Dick as his name?
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The possibilities of Richard Horne's parentage:

Ben.
Jerry. (Actor certain looks like Jerry)
Johnny. (Did we ever find out what happened to him?)
Audrey.
Donna. (I can see her having a kid, finding out he's the grandson of the Hornes and choosing to be a Horne)
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HagbardCeline wrote:The possibilities of Richard Horne's parentage:

Ben.
Jerry. (Actor certain looks like Jerry)
Johnny. (Did we ever find out what happened to him?)
Audrey.
Donna. (I can see her having a kid, finding out he's the grandson of the Hornes and choosing to be a Horne)
Don't forget Sylvia, with a man other than Ben!
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What is everyone's speculation on the episodes description for part 6?

"Don't die"

We know a character will be saying this line as has been the case with every episode thus far.

At first I thought maybe it would be the Log Lady but it could also be someone else. I'm kind of stumped.
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I'm on board for the Pink Ladies = Lodge spirits theory.

They work either way you read it, of course, as material or spiritual beings, but the effect they give off seems much more ethereal than mere disinterested showgirls. They give off an unearthly aura, imo. It's as though they're guiding these Vegas events and could even be the entities responsible for Cooper's good luck. They could be setting up a confrontation between the Casino thugs and Cooper.

I also like the theory that Cooper will need to come to someone's rescue or engage in a heroic act in order to find himself again. Really, this is a narrative necessity: can you imagine someone about to gun down Janey-E or Sonny Jim and Cooper just stands there mumbling about coffee?

So this may be why the spirits have set up a confrontation for Cooper: to bring him back.

"Richard and Linda" can either be read alone, or as having some logical relation to either "430" or "two birds with one stone."

However, from a writer's perspective, "Richard and Linda" as a solitary clue is pretty bland. It becomes more interesting paired with one or both of the other options.

But it's true it could just be a solitary clue. If so, kind of dull, imo. I'm in the two birds with one stone camp for now -- Richard and Linda are the birds. Whether the stone represents destruction or salvation is the intended mystery, in my view.
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