Parts 3 & 4 - Call for help & ...brings back some memories (SPOILERS)

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Re: Parts 3 + 4 (Spoilers)

Postby Taperecorder » Mon May 22, 2017 9:38 am

dkenny78 wrote:The first 20ish minutes of Episode 3, featuring Cooper's strange odyssey out of the Lodge and into the real world (or not!) is absolutely brilliant and features some of the most haunting imagery in all of Lynch's work. I've been wondering how that story would play out for most of my life, and Lynch did not disappoint in that department.


^^^^^^^^
I totally agree. It was like slowly walking thru the most beautiful art gallery....
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Re: Parts 3 + 4 (Spoilers)

Postby Audrey Horne » Mon May 22, 2017 9:41 am

No way they're done with the Hornes.
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Re: Parts 3 + 4 (Spoilers)

Postby Taperecorder » Mon May 22, 2017 9:42 am

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(I also sort of disliked the implication that Denise only progressed in her career because Cole told everyone to get in line.)


It felt that way to me too! I didn't like it either...
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Re: Parts 3 + 4 (Spoilers)

Postby crazyscottishguy » Mon May 22, 2017 9:47 am

I have a gut feeling that evil Coop could murder Tamra or Diane.

Who's the woman Albert is talking at the end of part 4? Diane?
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Re: Parts 3 + 4 (Spoilers)

Postby Judge Giant » Mon May 22, 2017 9:48 am

Stoked about Part 5 as I'm fairly certain the woman Albert/Cole are referring to is either Audrey, or Diane played by Laura Dern :D
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Re: Parts 3 + 4 (Spoilers)

Postby Ashok » Mon May 22, 2017 9:49 am

HHHEEEEEEEEEEEELLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOO. :D Kinda surprised by the mixed reactions but I honestly loved EP1-4. Esp 3+4. My favorite aspects of the original show has always been the mythology with Red Room, BOB, Major Briggs, Project Blue Book, Annie, the ring, the doppelgängers, etc. (The again I'm a newer fan who grew up watching shows like The X-Files and Lost). Honestly if there's one thing I was afraid of when the Revival was announced, it was that Lynch would just handwave away most of the weirdness and do a casual show for general audiences where Cooper gets rescued from the Lodge within 5 minutes and everything resets to the status quo in a manner that would diminish the mystique of Season 2's bombshell cliffhanger. Season 3 had to go down the rabbit hole of total weirdness because that's the trajectory Season 2 + FWWM were headed in. Anything else would be a show not worth reviving.

And I felt Season 3 did exactly what it needed to do by leaving Cooper mostly sidelined and showing the audience a world without him. I've spent the past decade running all these theories in my head of what Evil Cooper might be up to. And that seems to be pretty much exactly what we're getting. If I have any complaints, it's really just trivial things due to the change in atmosphere. I do miss the older look of the show being shot on film and the lack of music is a bit jarring but I'm not sure I'd actually dock any points for this. Otherwise I honestly feel very at home with the narrative after having seen the first 4 episodes. I LOVED the setup with the new murder in Buckhorn and thought Matthew Lillard absolutely killed it. I also dug the heck out of everything surrounding the box in New York. Very creepy and probably one of the more unsettling things I've seen since Mulholland Drive. I did NOT expect to see Dale running around as comatose man-child Dougie but I honestly found the whole thing absolutely fascinating with respect to the plot. If Dougie is a third doppelgänger manufactured by BOB as a loophole to keep him out of the Red Room, we're finally starting to learn more about the science behind how these otherworldly dimensions work. Anyhow I agree Season 3 felt very "different" from the original show in terms of aesthetics but in terms of its themes and actual story I thought the Revival felt like a very natural continuation of where Season 1+2 left off. And the scene with Bobby crying when he saw Laura's photo really resonated with me and made me believe that yes, maybe sometimes you can go back home again.
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Re: Parts 3 + 4 (Spoilers)

Postby mlsstwrt » Mon May 22, 2017 9:51 am

Jerry Horne wrote:That scene with Wally is a new low in the Twin Peaks Universe. Embarrassing.


Be careful Jerry, it's 2017 where even on DUGPA any legitimate criticism may see you branded as a 'Hater'. Unbelievable.
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Re: Parts 3 + 4 (Spoilers)

Postby N. Needleman » Mon May 22, 2017 9:55 am

I thought Chrysta Bell was mostly fine, but I don't know whether Lynch is directing her to move that way or it's her (I think it's probably both). I did think the moment of the guys watching her walk was typical Lynch, but I do hope they show Preston as very competent soon.

The ending scene with Albert and Cole was intense - I'd like more details on Jeffries' involvement, where he's been, etc. I still think we may see Bowie. And the interrogation was spine-tingling.

I adored Wally and everything with the Twin Peaks PD. Diff'rent strokes. I also thought the Take Five scene with Sonny Jim was magical. Lynch seemed to love watching the kid get more and more delighted.
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Re: Parts 3 + 4 (Spoilers)

Postby Romalotti » Mon May 22, 2017 9:56 am

I actually liked the Wally scene. It was just weird and hokey and I loved it.
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Re: Parts 3 + 4 (Spoilers)

Postby TweetPeak » Mon May 22, 2017 9:58 am

what i didnt get was the Police Station.

There were now 4-5ish Deputies in the Backroom
with another Super-Duper Telephone Agent running the
station.

There were some other guys there, too - CSI Guys.

Seemed a bit much for a town with 5.201 inhabitants.
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Re: Parts 3 + 4 (Spoilers)

Postby krishnanspace » Mon May 22, 2017 9:59 am

When Bob says "Messages so that I know its safe" what is he referring to?Alien from TSHOTP?
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Re: Parts 3 + 4 (Spoilers)

Postby mtwentz » Mon May 22, 2017 10:00 am

mlsstwrt wrote:
Jerry Horne wrote:That scene with Wally is a new low in the Twin Peaks Universe. Embarrassing.


Be careful Jerry, it's 2017 where even on DUGPA any legitimate criticism may see you branded as a 'Hater'. Unbelievable.


I think we are all clear that this show is going to be very divisive, even among diehard fans.

At this point, you either love it or hate it. There is very little middle ground. I am hoping it will eventually catch on with those who initially have reacted negatively to it.
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Re: Parts 3 + 4 (Spoilers)

Postby Metamorphia » Mon May 22, 2017 10:00 am

I was fine with Bell too. Went into it expecting her to suck after accidentally reading some comments on here but she didn't strike me as being bad at all. Maybe a little one-note, but I find it hard to believe that isn't what Lynch wants in that case.
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Re: Parts 3 + 4 (Spoilers)

Postby Jonah » Mon May 22, 2017 10:02 am

Just finished 4.

Initial impressions.

Love "Dougie"/Dale. Casino scenes are wonderful, ditto Naomi Watts scenes.

Great to see Bobby! The scene with Laura's picture fits his character well.

Was Lucy this OTT/silly in the original version? Fainting/failing to grasp the concept of cellphones. She seems much more comical/sitcom-y than ever before.

Not sure what to think of Andy and Lucy's son. Wally? But found it funny/touching the way they were both looking at him with such obvious love and pride.

Forster is great as the new sheriff, but I miss Ontkean.

Great to see Denise!

Loved the scene with Bad Coop, Albert, and Cole at the jail.

This episode seems to be bringing things together a lot and advancing the plot.

Loved the thumbs up bits.

As much as I would like to see more TP scenes, it almost feels like each one is a reward, that we are slowly being given more and more glimpses of the town - and our favourite old characters - as the series (and Coop) wind their way back there. (I feel like this structure was the original intention behind FWWM before so many scenes were cut.)

Have warmed to the show a lot by now. It's not the continuation I would have imagined - and a big part of me does still wish it was more like the old series - but it's grown on me a lot and I have great appreciation for it as it's own thing now. I still kind of think of it as "The David Lynch Show" more than "Twin Peaks" - and still feel this is Lynch almost making the "Mulholland Drive" TV show he never got to make, while also continuing "Twin Peaks", making his own new experimental movie, and referencing and paying homage to his own entire back catalogue. (But with this episode it's gradually beginning to feel more and more like "Twin Peaks".)

Will have to rewatch all of these episodes.

You know, it does feel more like an 18-hour movie (as David Lynch said) than an episodic TV show. So I wonder why he insisted on it being released weekly? That worked with the old series, which followed a soapy and episodic structure, complete with "next on" and "previously on" teasers. But this isn't at all like that. While getting all the episodes at once might have been overwhelming, I think it would have been better if this had all been released at once. Each episode flows into the next like a movie. Apart from the closing scenes of bands in the bar, it does not feel especially episodic, so I think an all-at-once release would have been better. Overall - am glad they released these two episodes along with the first two (1 & 2 on their own would have left an entirely different impression, probably not so good a one), but I think they should have uploaded the whole show at once.
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Re: Parts 3 + 4 (Spoilers)

Postby TheGum » Mon May 22, 2017 10:03 am

Worth noting- BadCoop eating creamed corn at the diner
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