Parts 3 & 4 - Call for help & ...brings back some memories (SPOILERS)

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Re: Parts 3 + 4 (Spoilers)

Postby Manwith » Mon May 22, 2017 5:06 pm

I thought the Casino was going to accuse Cooper of cheating somehow, and that would be what they were thinking about rather than him being senile. I guess in real life they'd suspect cheating-- perhaps some sort of device to distort the machine's functioning-- but maybe in Twin Peak's world they've seen unexplained stuff before?
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Re: Parts 3 + 4 (Spoilers)

Postby Manwith » Mon May 22, 2017 5:10 pm

Anyone else think Cooper after he returned to earth was acting a lot like John From Cincinnati from that failed HBO show? I was reminded of it. In that show John is some sort of otherworldly being that imitates other humans and they project whatever they expect from him onto him, and John's behavior gradually changes in imitation of many people he meets.
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Re: Parts 3 + 4 (Spoilers)

Postby speedbeatz » Mon May 22, 2017 5:18 pm

Jerry Horne wrote:Anybody notice any dates like what year the show takes place in?

Wally's birthday is given as April 3; 1990 seems the most likely candidate, since a year-long pregnancy is at least scientifically possible. (Record is apparently 375 days!)
I believe either Lucy or Andy said Wally was born "over 24 years ago", so we can probably assume that things are taking place sometime between April 2014 and April 2015.
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Re: Parts 3 + 4 (Spoilers)

Postby lotjx2 » Mon May 22, 2017 5:18 pm

I have a giant white board at work and I work alone. I feel like using that board to explain everything out like a crazy person. I just don't know how or where to start with classifications. Should I go with who is evil and good or missing and found or relationship to each other? I feel either way a simplization of this entire thing.
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Re: Parts 3 + 4 (Spoilers)

Postby Jerry Horne » Mon May 22, 2017 5:20 pm

speedbeatz wrote:
Jerry Horne wrote:Anybody notice any dates like what year the show takes place in?

Wally's birthday is given as April 3; 1990 seems the most likely candidate, since a year-long pregnancy is at least scientifically possible. (Record is apparently 375 days!)
I believe either Lucy or Andy said Wally was born "over 24 years ago", so we can probably assume that things are taking place sometime between April 2014 and April 2015.


Makes sense. So 1989-2014 makes it 25 Years Later.
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Re: Parts 3 + 4 (Spoilers)

Postby mtwentz » Mon May 22, 2017 5:23 pm

Manwith wrote:I thought the Casino was going to accuse Cooper of cheating somehow, and that would be what they were thinking about rather than him being senile. I guess in real life they'd suspect cheating-- perhaps some sort of device to distort the machine's functioning-- but maybe in Twin Peak's world they've seen unexplained stuff before?


Normally, casinos will just outright ban from gambling anyone who wins too much, no matter what the reason.

But in that scene, it seems the casino owner wants to figure out how Coop/Dougie is able to pull it off.
"Dougie is COOPER? How the Hell is this!?"
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Re: Parts 3 + 4 (Spoilers)

Postby Azurite404 » Mon May 22, 2017 5:39 pm

Venus wrote: I believe there has been a blatant disregard for the legacy that they created. Now some may say, that is the writers choice, but however anyone looks at it they did have a responsibility to at least consider those who loved that world they created and were thankful for it as it was.


No offense or anything, but this mentality that artists "owe" their fanbases anything just because they enjoyed their work is simply ludicrous to me. I see this sort of sentiment online in a lot of other fanbases these days, and I'm sad to see it echoed in Twin Peaks, a community which I thought was almost above that sort of entitlement (as I see it). Again, I'm not trying to attack you or anyone over this, and given how divisive this premier has been I suppose it shouldn't be surprising. Still, the fact is that David Lynch & company don't owe you or any of us anything at all, I'm sorry. It is entirely their artistic prerogative to go in whatever direction they please -- and in my opinion if they had done a retread of the original series (with the same tone, music, etc) it would have just been lame and uninteresting. It would have just been more "fanservice television," something which is unfortunately getting bigger and bigger nowadays. Instead it's this stunning, evocative, highly original work the likes of which has never and likely will never be seen on TV again, for which I am endlessly grateful.

The new Twin Peaks is going to push the envelope in terms of what the medium of television is capable of achieving in precisely the same manner that the original Twin Peaks did, and I could not be happier personally. I hope you and others come around eventually.
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Re: Parts 3 + 4 (Spoilers)

Postby lotjx2 » Mon May 22, 2017 5:47 pm

Azurite404 wrote:
Venus wrote: I believe there has been a blatant disregard for the legacy that they created. Now some may say, that is the writers choice, but however anyone looks at it they did have a responsibility to at least consider those who loved that world they created and were thankful for it as it was.


No offense or anything, but this mentality that artists "owe" their fanbases anything just because they enjoyed their work is simply ludicrous to me. I see it online in a lot of other fanbases these days, and I'm sad to see it echoed in Twin Peaks, a community which I thought was almost above such things. Given how divisive this premier has been though, I guess it shouldn't be surprising. In any case, the fact is that David Lynch & company don't owe you or any of us anything at all, I'm sorry. It is entirely their artistic prerogative to go in whatever direction they please, and in my opinion if they had done a retread of the original series (with the same tone, music, etc) it would have just been lame and uninteresting. It would have just been more "fanservice television," something which is unfortunately getting bigger and bigger nowadays. Instead it's this stunning, original work the likes of which has never and likely will never be seen on TV again, for which I am endlessly grateful.

The new Twin Peaks is going to push the envelope in terms of what the medium of television is capable in precisely the same manner that the original Twin Peaks did, and I could not be happier personally. I hope you and others come around eventually.


This..All of this. That is my inherit problem with something like the Star Wars Prequels. Where everyone shat on George for telling that story, but he countered with you liked the original story and I did that in the same way. Everyone got him for wooden acting and Jar Jar, but the dude is trying to tell the fall of a democracy into a fascist Empire by turning disillusioned people mainly a youth to the dark side. An idea that feels very timely across the planet. We are not even half way done with this and I am enjoying the hell out of it. Lynch doesn't owe me anything. Just having this back and him being passionate about it is good enough for me.
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Re: Parts 3 + 4 (Spoilers)

Postby Driftwood » Mon May 22, 2017 5:48 pm

musicaddict wrote:CGI - there are no excuses for this. I would have preferred little to no CGI. The fact that people are commending this just because David Lynch's name is attached, there is no way if this was a non-Lynch production that anyone would find this CGI palatable. That dumb floating gold orb? Dougie shrinking into black smoke? Maybe that was where the smoke monster came from on Lost.

what a load of nonsense. some of you seem to love lynch only until he starts doing lynch things.
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Re: Parts 3 + 4 (Spoilers)

Postby Driftwood » Mon May 22, 2017 5:55 pm

Rami Airola wrote:However, I think the show is about getting old and forgetting things that used to be. We see the old places we used to visit but somehow they don't have that same spark anymore.
And in Twin Peaks, as the Laura Palmer case had been forgotten, and Cooper has been gone, things just have got very stale. But now as Cooper is coming back and the Laura Palmer case is brought back to be studied, things slowly start to come back. People will get moments of the old feelings and moods. They remember how things used to be, slowly. And I think the music will come back, also slowly.

I think that maybe we even get the old spark back to Ben Horne's room too. Ben's and Jerry's first scene felt very off and very stale. Even the whole room was somehow "empty" from feelings. But maybe, as the show progresses, Ben and Jerry also slowly start to get the old spark back.

I'm thinking people who are thinking the show is bad now but just secretly pretending to be bad and going to magically shift into the "old" twin peaks that they love are just going to be disappointed.
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Re: Parts 3 + 4 (Spoilers)

Postby Azurite404 » Mon May 22, 2017 5:57 pm

Driftwood wrote:
musicaddict wrote:CGI - there are no excuses for this. I would have preferred little to no CGI. The fact that people are commending this just because David Lynch's name is attached, there is no way if this was a non-Lynch production that anyone would find this CGI palatable. That dumb floating gold orb? Dougie shrinking into black smoke? Maybe that was where the smoke monster came from on Lost.

what a load of nonsense. some of you seem to love lynch only until he starts doing lynch things.


Totally agree, that statement just seems crazy to me -- as if Lynch hasn't been experimenting in this fashion literally forever, with whatever tools he has available. I absolutely ADORED how he utilized both older practical effects AND newer digital/CGI ones. The effects in these first few episodes are some of my favorite effects I've ever seen *period,* not just from Lynch. Different strokes I guess, though...
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Re: Parts 3 + 4 (Spoilers)

Postby Driftwood » Mon May 22, 2017 6:03 pm

bastia wrote:Hello guys.

In the beginning i thought Coop was "ill" cause of the 25 years spent in the lodge. But then i re watched and I've seen that in the lodge he's "fine" (fine is a euphemism. I know.). I mean, he was totally able to interact and understand. He also talked, as if he was the old Coop.

So i found this really strange. Why when in earth is not sane anymore? Only the shock of the "trip"? The new(old) dimension?
Or maybe it's because bad Coop has his "brain and experience" there on earth? Maybe that's a side effect of the "trick" bad Coop used.

What do you think?

I don't think it was coming through an electrical socket or being in the red room for so long that is why he's like this now. it's because there can only be one cooper in the world at once and because instead of taking the place the doppleganger he took the place of an empty manufactured dummy replacement thing. you need your other half back in the lodge to be whole but the doppleganger avoided getting pulled in so now he has to be killed.
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Re: Parts 3 + 4 (Spoilers)

Postby djsunyc » Mon May 22, 2017 6:14 pm

anybody talk about the druggie lady w/ the kid in rancho rosa screaming 1-1-9? was that just another lynchian wtf moment?
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Re: Parts 3 + 4 (Spoilers)

Postby Pöllö » Mon May 22, 2017 6:16 pm

djsunyc wrote:anybody talk about the druggie lady w/ the kid in rancho rosa screaming 1-1-9? was that just another lynchian wtf moment?

I think she was counting the pills she was going to OD on.
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Re: Parts 3 + 4 (Spoilers)

Postby Driftwood » Mon May 22, 2017 6:17 pm

9-1-1 backwards. cooper just came in through a light socket next door, that kind of lodge happenings going on maybe messes with people nearby

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