Parts 3 & 4 - Call for help & ...brings back some memories (SPOILERS)

N. Needleman · Post by **N. Needleman** » Tue May 23, 2017 6:41 am

I thought Chrysta Bell was fine in episode 3 in the briefing - she convinced me.

I thought the treatment of the character in 4 was a little typical loves-the-lovely-ladies Lynch, and I hope it improves and she lives up to the character Frost wrote in his book. Bell walks like a runway model, but that may be how Lynch wants it. I think her performance is decent thus far, if a little green in that last scene.

lotjx2 · Post by **lotjx2** » Tue May 23, 2017 6:43 am

Evil Cooper is just haunting. The bizarre manifestation of BOB into someone we love is crazy. We didn't know enough about Leland to make him sympathetic. He was a bit of loon at times, so when its revealed he is the one behind everything, its more of a shock than it is tragedy for that character. We know Coop, so seeing him like this is unnerving. I am glad they kept as much of this under wraps as they did. Seeing him in that outfit would have been dead give away. I just want to know how Dale was able to get away from Dr. Brennan and Harry after he smashes the window. They obviously would have heard him or seen the aftermath. I am also a bit weirded out that none of the characters reached out to Dale after he left even if no one suspected anything. He seemed liked a big part of their lives especially Harry. It just feels weird that he came, solved the case or cases and then left to be a faded memory.

speedbeatz · Post by **speedbeatz** » Tue May 23, 2017 6:47 am

"Silver Mustang Casino" is apparently not a real casino, so not only did they go to an impressive amount of effort to dress up an existing casino with a new name, they picked a name that essentially means "white horse". Not necessarily any deep connection or hidden meaning, but probably still deliberate.

lotjx2 · Post by **lotjx2** » Tue May 23, 2017 6:50 am

speedbeatz wrote:"Silver Mustang Casino" is apparently not a real casino, so not only did they go to an impressive amount of effort to dress up an existing casino with a new name, they picked a name that essentially means "white horse". Not necessarily any deep connection or hidden meaning, but probably still deliberate.

Hmm..there is the White Horse in the Black Lodge and it appears in Mady's death which is still brutal to watch. I think Laura sees it too in Fire Walk, but I could be wrong there.

N. Needleman · Post by **N. Needleman** » Tue May 23, 2017 6:50 am

lotjx2 wrote:I am also a bit weirded out that none of the characters reached out to Dale after he left even if no one suspected anything. He seemed liked a big part of their lives especially Harry. It just feels weird that he came, solved the case or cases and then left to be a faded memory.

He disappeared. No one knew where he went, including the FBI.

Soolsma · Post by **Soolsma** » Tue May 23, 2017 6:56 am

N. Needleman wrote:(I don't know why people think it's BOB, I don't)

I don't feel like he's BOB either, if he were, we'd see him rather trying to mimic poor good ol' Coop who couldn't help occasionally breaking out in random singing and dancing than being so obvious and forthcoming with his evil traits.

This is something more evolved, more precise and perhaps more sinister as well. I also feel that's good, we already know the BOB possession story.

N. Needleman wrote:
lotjx2 wrote:I am also a bit weirded out that none of the characters reached out to Dale after he left even if no one suspected anything. He seemed liked a big part of their lives especially Harry. It just feels weird that he came, solved the case or cases and then left to be a faded memory.
He disappeared. No one knew where he went, including the FBI.

But there just might be a confrontation coming with someone who did suspect something back then.

dkenny78 · Post by **dkenny78** » Tue May 23, 2017 6:57 am

lotjx2 wrote:I just want to know how Dale was able to get away from Dr. Brennan and Harry after he smashes the window. They obviously would have heard him or seen the aftermath.

My guess is that Evil Coop attempted, at first, to live under the guise of Good Coop, much in the same way that Leland did. But something happened pretty quickly that made him go on the run and become this overtly bad character. In 'The Secret History of Twin Peaks,' it's implied Briggs figures out something's wrong with Cooper the very day he comes out of the Lodge. Maybe at this point, Evil Coop realizes the jig is up, kills Briggs and heads for the hills?

Taperecorder · Post by **Taperecorder** » Tue May 23, 2017 7:01 am

LaurenceBranagh wrote:Felt the nudity was present only for nudity's sake, but I am thoroughly enjoying this show so far.

Yeah, I agree. It didn't bring anything to the show at all. It reminded me of that inane scene in FWWM where Laura takes off her towel and bares her breasts to James all the while hanging out in the janitors room at their high school. It just felt pointless. I would have much rather the two characters in the glass box room had just made out before the hologram monster thing killed them. It would have been more believable...

Adam_Ziggy · Post by **Adam_Ziggy** » Tue May 23, 2017 7:10 am

Normonaut wrote:
Trudy Chelgren wrote:Don't know if it's already been said, but does anyone else think the decapitated John Doe was the body of Major Briggs? It's what I thought when the Buckhorn police found the body's fingerprint information was locked by the military.
I thought so, but then Bobby said his dad has been dead since right after season 2.

Still not impossible though, it is Lynch after all.

Maybe Jeffries?

But "Jeffries" mentions Coops meeting with Briggs. When the meeing took place?

silvo · Post by **silvo** » Tue May 23, 2017 7:18 am

Hello to everyone!
I have noticed that Lynch is using to many symbolism and for one thing more than one symbolism. He uses astrology, colors, food, animals and many many things. For example in some tribes and cultures owls are the guides to a metaphysics world, or the transfer between the living and the dead world.

In the lodge you never know when it's past and future and how time flows. So they don't give cooper a specific day and time, but just a number who symbolize time. 25 and 3 time and time.
So, starting with 25. Why 25? What means 25? One answer could be taken by the bible. I crossed in this when i was searching about the number referred to time. http://www.biblestudy.org/bibleref/mean ... le/25.html.
The Meaning of Numbers: The Number 25
Levites were to begin serving at age 25 in assisting with sacrifices, which were a physical type of forgiveness and redemption for the people.

That makes a sense of why should wait cooper for 25 years. This was the time needed to be forgiven for entering the lodge and let BOB capture his soul.

For the number 3 there are many symbolism. One of them is symbolized the number 3 as a teenager that needs guidance till the human being shaped. But i am not sure how to interpret it yet.

Now in the lodge the ARM starting saying BOB, which referring to danger and Cooper needs to leave. BOB is like to sending the doppelganger of the ARM to capture Cooper. It seems that succeeds to confuse Cooper and send him in another place of the lodge that Cooper can't recognize. And then trapped make the mistake to let the fears guide him and take rapid decisions which ended up bad. The first the blind spirit is like that protecting Cooper and don't let him use the exit till the Doppelganger return. It tries to stop the bad spirit but get punished and left floating in the universe. Then Major Briggs or the Giant ( i am not sure who is) says blue rose.
Blue Rose symbolize mystery. Blue roses are not existing in nature and are artificial. When Cooper returns inside the room, the room has changed and a blue rose exist in the table. That might means the room is artificial. And BOB press Cooper to make a bad decision and go before the doppelganger returns. So, he falls to the trap and transferred in a parallel??? world? or another place and take the place of Dougie.

Now what exactly is happening is something I can't imagine yet. All the above is just a theory though.

The golden sphere that is left after Dougie is vanished I have seen it before! It was used in the Anime Bleach and was like a magic orb carrying an artificial soul to create a fake personality of oneself, which will not be the same as you, but has the same talking and appearance. It's like another soul that uses the empty vessel (body) that is left behind. So, seems like Dougie Soul is not associated with Cooper at all. But instead it was just using Cooper vessel. Then the question is what substance is the evil Cooper? Is the soul and spirit of Cooper? And how he has a body if it is used by Dougie? So, when Cooper returns is like a vegetable because he obtained his body but not the rest? TOO MANY QUESTIONS

I can't remember the name of the golden sphere too search it and see in Asia mythology also.

P.S. Too bad David Bowie died

hopesfall · Post by **hopesfall** » Tue May 23, 2017 7:27 am

N. Needleman wrote:(I don't know why people think it's BOB, I don't)

Because the very last time we saw him, Bob was his reflection in the bathroom mirror.

Trudy Chelgren · Post by **Trudy Chelgren** » Tue May 23, 2017 7:33 am

I think Evil Cooper is scarier than possessed Leland. There, I said it. I said it, and I'm glad.

sylviecerise · Post by **sylviecerise** » Tue May 23, 2017 7:35 am

Other than the fact that Lynch has made it abundantly clear in the past that Cooper was not possessed by BOB, a strong theory for why it's DoppelCoop and not BOBcoop: the Mr. C that we're seeing cares about not dying and remaining in the physical world. BOB never cared about his hosts (other than perhaps a want for certain
ones, like Laura)—he could move from one to the next. I have a feeling that if DoppelCoop dies, he'll be brought back to the Black Lodge and won't be let out again. This is his one shot to cause mayhem in the world.

Personally, my theory is that DoppelCoop is working with BOB or another evil lodge spirit to go on killing sprees. No one has mentioned this: you could hear the sound of the arm (whooping) in the scene where Mrs. Hastings exits the jail cell and meeting lawyer George. The spirit that has left her has been discussed a bunch here. To me, the implicated is that DoppelCoop and a Lodge spirit worked together to possess Mr. Hastings and Mrs. Hastings (don't think that DoppelCoop can posses, to be clear). The Lodge spirit possesses their human hosts, commits the crime. DoppelCoop frames the killings, cleans up, and kills the hosts.

sylviecerise · Post by **sylviecerise** » Tue May 23, 2017 7:42 am

A sound editor on reddit has some really damn good evidence for the sound on the phonogram being a sped up version of the slot machine: https://www.reddit.com/r/twinpeaks/comm ... eard_over/

mtwentz · Post by **mtwentz** » Tue May 23, 2017 7:43 am

Taperecorder wrote:
LaurenceBranagh wrote:Felt the nudity was present only for nudity's sake, but I am thoroughly enjoying this show so far.
Yeah, I agree. It didn't bring anything to the show at all. It reminded me of that inane scene in FWWM where Laura takes off her towel and bares her breasts to James all the while hanging out in the janitors room at their high school. It just felt pointless. I would have much rather the two characters in the glass box room had just made out before the hologram monster thing killed them. It would have been more believable...

I do not know how you can say that until we know more about the entity that killed them.

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