ManBehindWinkies wrote:BigEd wrote:Thanks Manbehindwinkies!!!! I'm accepting that the show was edited in a way to "play" with the song. Knowing Lynch's fondness for Wizard of Oz, and the history with Dark Side of the Moon (which I consider indisputable); it is very possible, if not likely, that they would slip something like this in. The album title is just icing on the cake.
I don't understand the text at the beginning though. Shouldn't it read "are not UNintentional."
Well, I've long been of the belief that the Dark Side of the Moon/Wizard of Oz thing was not intentional, but it's just an example of synchronicity that may have some kind of mysterious, cosmic origin, or simply a random coincidence. I may be strange but I find the former theory that some unrelated works may have some kind of cosmic synergistic alliance more plausible than a group of artists deciding they want to make one of the greatest albums in the history of rock that just happens to work as a soundtrack for an old children's film.BigEd wrote:
Well then I'm nuts for agreeing with you! Welcome to the "nut" club. Some folks will simply disagree because a) it wasn't their idea/discovery, b) they understand nothing about the history of Wizard of Oz with Dark Side of the Moon, c) they haven't a clue who Pink Floyd is and/or d) they just like to argue/disagree with everything.
Okay, as far as not having a clue who Pink Floyd is, I'm pretty sure I can go toe to toe with anyone with my knowledge of the band and their music! I haven't heard anything concrete to suggest there's intention behind the Dark Side of the Moon/Wizard of Oz synchronicity. Members of the band have ridiculed the notion when they've been asked about it, granted it could be some secret but I don't see why they wouldn't admit it if that was their intention. But I'm open minded, feel free to educate me about the history of WoOz with DSotM, preferably with some credible links! But you know, if I was them, and I poured my heart and soul into creating something amazing, and a bunch of people started suggesting that one of my creative inspirations was to create a secret soundtrack to a film that might be discovered many years into the future when people actually have playback technology that allows them to sync it to the film, I'd probably ridicule it too.
As far as this Part 3/AHM thing, I actually started putting this video together a while back not long after I saw raltenbach's post. I didn't have time to actually upload it until this 4th of July weekend. I had that text there before, and my thought process was, there's no way David Lynch is going to take the time to edit this monumental set piece to Atom Heart Mother then take the music out and add in his sound design. Like why? He's got so many things on his plate directing editing and creating the sound design for an 18 hour long piece.
But of course, I really didn't think about the name Atom Heart Mother suddenly having more relevance after Part 8 until people brought it up in response to the video. Which has admittedly given me a Hawk Chocolate Bunnies moment about this whole thing. I might have left that line out if I'd realized it. Still, I have to be convinced. You are free to try!
Maybe I don't know as much as you about Pink Floyd (I probably do) and don't know much about the history of Oz/Dark Side (I know something about it), but I do understand something of the creative process that goes into creating an album or creating a film, and the idea that either Pink Floyd or David Lynch would want to intentionally synchronize their work to something else doesn't make much sense. Go back and look how this was discovered, raltenbach was just spitballing. Probably nobody would have discovered this otherwise.
I'm not ridiculing these synchronicities, BTW, obviously I took the time to put this together. I think it's a lot of fun, and I do like thinking about the potential mystical explanations. I bet if someone showed this to Lynch (which I hope no one does because it would probably get taken down), him being a practitioner of TM, he'd probably suggest he tapped into the same unified field of creative inspiration that Floyd did when they created AHM. And really, that actually makes more sense to me.
Man 'o Man Manbehindwinkies....
I'll tell you everything I know about Wizard of Oz and Dark Side of the Moon.
a) Like many, I watched the movie countless times growing up because there simply wasn't much to watch (you may fairly call it a "children's film," but it has more levels than that - one could say a "dark side")
b) Pink Floyd is my all time favorite band, and I listened to them from teen years on
c) I first heard about the connection circa 1995, and first reaction was "whaaat???"
d) Rather than read the expert opinions, I simply played the album while watching the film
e) To my mathematical mind, the connections simply cannot be written off to coincidence (both music and lyrics - "balanced," "black and blue," witch is witch," etc. Not sure if I can call Toto laughing "lyrics," but it's one of my favorite parts). One of the big deals with the movie was when it switched to color. Color film was equated with huge "money" back in that time. Guess what song comes on when the film switched to color?
f) Just look at the album cover. Black/white to color through the prism.
I suggest a second watch of the album/film together and maybe you'll see the light.
To suggest that Pink Floyd synchronized the music to the film in no way takes away from their genius. It may add to it.
Remember, Lynch is a big Oz fan. Check out the witches' brooms in about every film (two in Otis's farm house as I recall). One on the porch of Theresa Bank's trailer. One in the scene of your namesake!! (the place behind Winkies - of course the very term "Winkies" also comes from Wizard of Oz)