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Re: Parts 1 + 2 (Spoilers)

Postby baxter » Mon May 22, 2017 10:29 am

The bad coop is much better than the finale of S2 to my eyes, i.e. matter of fact brutal, not hammy or cheesy.
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Re: Parts 1 + 2 (Spoilers)

Postby Gabriel » Mon May 22, 2017 10:30 am

Ok. Crazy man that I am, I've just rewatched parts one and two. I initially watched the first two parts at 2am BST, the next two parts with breakfast this morning (ok, brunch; I slept in late.) I rewatched one and two this afternoon.

I've changed my mind as a result: I love it. I can't recommend giving the opening parts a rewatch, after seeing 1-4 through once, more strongly. Seeing it without the initial shock of the new, this feels absolutely part of the Twin Peaks universe. If FWWM moved the Twin Peaks story out into a bigger world, then this moves things into a bigger universe. Watching it again, it feels massive and epic. I can't wait to rewatch episodes three and four.

Can't get that song, Shadow, out of my head either.

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Re: Parts 1 + 2 (Spoilers)

Postby Judge Giant » Mon May 22, 2017 10:31 am

That *thing* in the jail cell....creepy as hell. I'll have nightmares about that for sure.

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Re: Parts 1 + 2 (Spoilers)

Postby Rain » Mon May 22, 2017 10:33 am

i like one of the dialogues "I don't NEED anything, I WANT things"
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Re: Parts 1 + 2 (Spoilers)

Postby asquideatingdough » Mon May 22, 2017 10:34 am

StealThisCorn wrote:Any theories on the significance of the Ace of Spades with the black insect-like head?


I'm probably just wanting it to look like an owl, but I really can't not see it as an owl.
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Re: Parts 1 + 2 (Spoilers)

Postby BEARisonFord » Mon May 22, 2017 10:34 am

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Re: Parts 1 + 2 (Spoilers)

Postby N. Needleman » Mon May 22, 2017 10:35 am

Gabriel wrote:Twin Peaks back; I'm so happy!! I get it now!


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Re: Parts 1 + 2 (Spoilers)

Postby N. Needleman » Mon May 22, 2017 10:35 am

Rain wrote:i like one of the dialogues "I don't NEED anything, I WANT things"


That was terrifying. There was so much quotable dialogue.

I didn't even notice the Bad Dale was eating creamed corn.
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Re: Parts 1 + 2 (Spoilers)

Postby Wonderful & Strange » Mon May 22, 2017 10:37 am

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GrapesOnTheEdge wrote:- I think Red Room Laura was sucked away screaming because she overstepped her authority there.


I think something attacked her. And I think she's somewhere Coop has to find her. I would not be shocked if she's alive. I cannot tell you how that makes me feel, as Laura is my favorite.


Yep, I think what we saw here was Laura being punished (by Bob?) for whispering something in Cooper's ear. This may have been the moment when she told him her father killed her.

Later Leland tells Cooper to find Laura. So I do agree that Laura is going to come back to the world!

What an amazing ending that would be!
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Re: Parts 1 + 2 (Spoilers)

Postby garethw » Mon May 22, 2017 10:42 am

Gabriel wrote: I've changed my mind as a result: I love it.


Hurray! I hope that this happens to lots of people. It genuinely saddened me to see so many avid fans disappointed. I felt like I was given a gift that others weren't.

Gabriel wrote:Watching it again, it feels massive and epic.


This is precisely the feeling I got from the opening credits. Same title theme and font, but the tight shot of the waterfall now replaced with the slow overhead, and the shots of timber now replaced by the whole misty forest...
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Re: Parts 1 + 2 (Spoilers)

Postby Ubermensch33 » Mon May 22, 2017 10:43 am

I loved it, although I felt like at times it was a brand new Lynch film that was strangely trying to incorporate Twin Peaks' characters into it. Even Andy and Lucy's bit together seemed forced - I almost found myself clamoring for new Lynch as opposed to old Peaks. But, I think it's way too early to analyze much of anything other than how it made me feel, overall.

I do think, though, it wouldn't have worked if the whole thing was set in Twin Peaks, and the only thing that had changed was the ages of the characters. It had to be something way, way different.

I see a lot of complaints about the CGI. I'm not trying to overcredit Lynch, here, but you have to think that stuff is all intentional, or at worst, he just doesn't care all that much. Neither do I.

I seem to be alone in absolutely loving the ending at the Bang Bang Bar, and that it just ended without a cliffhanger like so many shows do. To me it's more enticing that way. It builds suspense. A long, drawn out scene that seems to be meaningless (but we do see a few new characters).

You have to give Lynch the benefit of the doubt that the seemingly meaningless/forced parts will become clear with time.

One thing I will say is that I normally struggle to make it through a 2 hour movie in one sitting. I had no problem with 2.5 hours of Lynch last night. And we can talk about specific analysis all we want, at the end of the day, I was glued to the TV, and that's the gift of Lynch IMO.
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Re: Parts 1 + 2 (Spoilers)

Postby Judge Giant » Mon May 22, 2017 10:48 am

asquideatingdough wrote:
StealThisCorn wrote:Any theories on the significance of the Ace of Spades with the black insect-like head?


I'm probably just wanting it to look like an owl, but I really can't not see it as an owl.

I'm pretty sure it is the owl symbol, just a bloated/distorted version of it.
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Re: Parts 1 + 2 (Spoilers)

Postby GrapesOnTheEdge » Mon May 22, 2017 10:59 am

Is the charred/black figure in the cell next to Hastings the same being that was seen in the woods just before Major Briggs was abducted in Ep 17?
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Re: Parts 1 + 2 (Spoilers)

Postby Chester Desmond » Mon May 22, 2017 11:05 am

GrapesOnTheEdge wrote:Is the charred/black figure in the cell next to Hastings the same being that was seen in the woods just before Major Briggs was abducted in Ep 17?


No, it's not.
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Re: Parts 1 + 2 (Spoilers)

Postby N. Needleman » Mon May 22, 2017 11:07 am

I loved the ending at the Roadhouse. Adored it.
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