Parts 1 & 2 - My log has a message for you & The stars turn and a time presents itself (SPOILERS)

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Re: Parts 1 & 2 - My log has a message for you & The stars turn and a time presents itself (SPOILERS)

Postby Aerozhul » Fri Jul 07, 2017 5:17 pm

dontlooknow wrote:So what does Laura whisper in Cooper's ear after him asking "when can i leave"? It seems to terrify him.

Maybe something like: As soon as your Doppelgänger, which has been terrorizing the world for 25 years now, comes back in here. Btw, you will take the place of some poor loser called Dougie, married and father of a young boy, who we'll turn into a little gold marble for that purpose. Deal with it, Coopy.


I have this episode on again right now and I was wondering the same thing. My theory is pretty similar to yours, maybe without the Dougie stuff. Haha. I think she told him his doppelgänger has been wreaking havoc and murder in his place for the last 25 years, which is pretty upsetting, certainly enough to elicit Coop's reaction. I also think that Laura was then punished for giving him that information, which is what followed immediately after.

Another question - what the hell did Bad Coop do to Jack? Obviously he killed him, but by rubbing his jaw?
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Postby Deep Thought » Fri Jul 07, 2017 7:08 pm

I may have missed it in this thread. Any ideas on what Ray and Daria give to the wheelchair-bound figure at Otis's place? Probably not cashier's cheques.
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Postby Daliz » Sat Jul 08, 2017 12:02 am

dontlooknow wrote:Another question - what the hell did Bad Coop do to Jack? Obviously he killed him, but by rubbing his jaw?


Face massage of death :)

Deep Thought wrote:I may have missed it in this thread. Any ideas on what Ray and Daria give to the wheelchair-bound figure at Otis's place? Probably not cashier's cheques.


It's been mentioned many times I think but can't remember any theories. Maybe we'll see, or not?
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Postby Mr. Reindeer » Sat Jul 08, 2017 2:41 pm

I forget if this was mentioned before, but TSDoLP has a passage where Bob tells Laura, "I don't need anything. [...] I want things." (1/03/1988)
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Re: Parts 1 & 2 - My log has a message for you & The stars turn and a time presents itself (SPOILERS)

Postby wxray » Sun Jul 09, 2017 8:29 am

Daliz wrote:
dontlooknow wrote:Another question - what the hell did Bad Coop do to Jack? Obviously he killed him, but by rubbing his jaw?


Face massage of death :)

Deep Thought wrote:I may have missed it in this thread. Any ideas on what Ray and Daria give to the wheelchair-bound figure at Otis's place? Probably not cashier's cheques.


It's been mentioned many times I think but can't remember any theories. Maybe we'll see, or not?

Yeah, Ray is going back to The Farm, presumably. Maybe we'll find out.

Looking forward to having another drink and a few boiled peanuts with Otis.
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Postby NewtoTwinPeaks » Wed Jul 12, 2017 8:21 pm

I mentioned this in the Part 9 thread as well, but Bill tells his wife he had a dream that he was in Ruth's apartment. That didn't come up in the interrogation scene so I wonder what's the story there. How were his fingertips all over her apartment?
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Postby BigEd » Wed Jul 12, 2017 8:36 pm

NewtoTwinPeaks wrote:I mentioned this in the Part 9 thread as well, but Bill tells his wife he had a dream that he was in Ruth's apartment. That didn't come up in the interrogation scene so I wonder what's the story there. How were his fingertips all over her apartment?


His fingerprints were all over her apartment because he was having an affair with her. He was in total denial during the interrogation, because he didn't want his wife to find out about the affair. At the time, he didn't know that they found his fingerprints, so he had to stick with his story. He claimed that he had never been there, etc. Since his wife is now dead, it no longer matters to him and he is admitting to the affair to clear himself of the murder charges.
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Postby NewtoTwinPeaks » Wed Jul 12, 2017 8:44 pm

BigEd wrote:
NewtoTwinPeaks wrote:I mentioned this in the Part 9 thread as well, but Bill tells his wife he had a dream that he was in Ruth's apartment. That didn't come up in the interrogation scene so I wonder what's the story there. How were his fingertips all over her apartment?


His fingerprints were all over her apartment because he was having an affair with her. He was in total denial during the interrogation, because he didn't want his wife to find out about the affair. At the time, he didn't know that they found his fingerprints, so he had to stick with his story. He claimed that he had never been there, etc. Since his wife is now dead, it no longer matters to him and he is admitting to the affair to clear himself of the murder charges.


That's true but his comment about having a dream about being in Ruth's apartment is in a private conversation with his wife, who knows he's been cheating on her as they bring it up, since she's also cheating on him.
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Postby BigEd » Wed Jul 12, 2017 10:11 pm

NewtoTwinPeaks wrote:
BigEd wrote:
NewtoTwinPeaks wrote:I mentioned this in the Part 9 thread as well, but Bill tells his wife he had a dream that he was in Ruth's apartment. That didn't come up in the interrogation scene so I wonder what's the story there. How were his fingertips all over her apartment?


His fingerprints were all over her apartment because he was having an affair with her. He was in total denial during the interrogation, because he didn't want his wife to find out about the affair. At the time, he didn't know that they found his fingerprints, so he had to stick with his story. He claimed that he had never been there, etc. Since his wife is now dead, it no longer matters to him and he is admitting to the affair to clear himself of the murder charges.


That's true but his comment about having a dream about being in Ruth's apartment is in a private conversation with his wife, who knows he's been cheating on her as they bring it up, since she's also cheating on him.


Again, this was AFTER the cops told him that they had found his fingerprints all over her apartment. Prior to finding that out, his "story" was that he knew nothing about her apartment. How could he have a dream that he was "there," if he never knew where "there" was?
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Re: Parts 1 & 2 - My log has a message for you & The stars turn and a time presents itself (SPOILERS)

Postby steadybox » Thu Jul 13, 2017 10:06 am

BigEd wrote:
How could he have a dream that he was "there," if he never knew where "there" was?

I'd say that in dreams, this kind of thing happens all the time.
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Postby ScarFace32 » Thu Jul 13, 2017 10:37 am

Metamorphia wrote:The Chromatics have grown on me but I honestly found it kinda jarring and nothing like Julee Cruise's music. The Cruise songs had the great ability to pull you out of time and place, as though they existed in a bubble or something. I do not get that at all from the Chromatics - it's very 2017 to me and won't age very well.


Yes the trendy music acts are really lame. Julee Cruise was a whole different thing. I want to hear the band from the strip joint in FWWM, not some lame trendy DJ Hudson Mohawk or whatever. These choices are definitely the result of a bad influence.
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Postby wxray » Thu Jul 13, 2017 11:41 am

ScarFace32 wrote:
Metamorphia wrote:The Chromatics have grown on me but I honestly found it kinda jarring and nothing like Julee Cruise's music. The Cruise songs had the great ability to pull you out of time and place, as though they existed in a bubble or something. I do not get that at all from the Chromatics - it's very 2017 to me and won't age very well.


Yes the trendy music acts are really lame. Julee Cruise was a whole different thing. I want to hear the band from the strip joint in FWWM, not some lame trendy DJ Hudson Mohawk or whatever. These choices are definitely the result of a bad influence.

I'll start taking drugs if I have to listen to (spoiler ahead):

Spoiler:
NIN or this Mowhawke guy
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Re: Parts 1 & 2 - My log has a message for you & The stars turn and a time presents itself (SPOILERS)

Postby ScarFace32 » Thu Jul 13, 2017 11:47 am

wxray wrote:
ScarFace32 wrote:
Metamorphia wrote:The Chromatics have grown on me but I honestly found it kinda jarring and nothing like Julee Cruise's music. The Cruise songs had the great ability to pull you out of time and place, as though they existed in a bubble or something. I do not get that at all from the Chromatics - it's very 2017 to me and won't age very well.


Yes the trendy music acts are really lame. Julee Cruise was a whole different thing. I want to hear the band from the strip joint in FWWM, not some lame trendy DJ Hudson Mohawk or whatever. These choices are definitely the result of a bad influence.

I'll start taking drugs if I have to listen to (spoiler ahead):

Spoiler:
NIN or this Mowhawke guy


I'd bet there is another NIN song
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Postby HagbardCeline » Thu Jul 13, 2017 1:02 pm

I dunno, the Chromatics song was perfect to me. I've always felt that Laura's death upset the timelessness in the small town. It doesn't matter to me that there are electronica acts showing up in the Roadhouse now.
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Postby Snailhead » Thu Jul 13, 2017 10:02 pm

Hated the Chromatics song, liked Sharon Van Etten, adored Trouble & NIN (absolutely meshed with the story), and have been indifferent to the rest. Chromatics is the only one where I cringed - the synths were horribly cheesy and the singer had zero pathos. I almost forgot that Rebekah Del Rio is on the cast list, boy do I hope she sings! And we have Julee Cruise to look forward to. I would love it if she had dialogue, as Cruise's speaking voice is fascinatingly different to her singing voice.
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