Part 6 - Don't die (SPOILERS)

[steadybox]

The scene with Janey-E though had me a bit confused tho: so DougieCoop wins $425K at the casino, which easily gives them the 50K to pay back Daniel Farady from Lost. So why is Janey-E nickel & diming them (relatively) when they clearly have enough to pay that debt make it all go away?

Well, I don't think it would have been a very good idea to let some shady characters know that you can easily summon up that kind of money; they might come back for more.

[mtwentz]

My issue is with all these characters and places that come and go: the sales agent who asked for Truman (which one?), NY billionaire, Ray, Buella, Chantal and her husband, George the lawyer, Hastings, his secretary, Morgans, Chip, Ben and Jerry, guests from NYC, two US Army officers, mr. Strawberry, who else did I forget? James and his friend with that glove? The ace card? Jeffries is a different matter for obvious reasons. I mean, even the Phillip Gerard asks Cooper to wake up, and more importantly different characters are saying that something's wrong (Hawk, Cole, Albert), mirroring some of the people's sentiments. My main beef with it is that we are being thrown all these names, and they simply vanish, never to be heard again.

Anyway, this army of vanishing characters is something that I have an issue with, we have to start seeing some connections, we are 1/3 in. I do plan to watch it all and judge it when it ends, but right now I am getting concerned too (something's not right).

We've all been wondering the same thing, how will all these characters and storylines be wrapped up in the next 12 episodes?

My guess is that if that was an issue, Lynch and Frost would have revised the script. Although it is possible that some of these characters may be specifically dangled out there with more ????? much like Jeffries was in Fire Walk With Me.

I do believe that some of these are cameos though, not meant to be followed up on.

[mtwentz]

Dougie's gambling debt is distinct from his casino win. Are we to presume it's actually BadCoop who instigated the original - and ongoing - hit on his life?

That was certainly my (and I daresay most people's) initial reaction. However, Lorraine calls the phone in Buenos Aires, indicating that she reports directly to Jeffries (or whatever force he encountered down there). DoppelCoop seemed to be working with Jeffries, so perhaps they planned the hit on Dougie together....but we also know that Jeffries apparently hired Ray to kill DoppelCoop....and whoever DoppelCoop speaks to in Part 2 he initially believes to be Jeffries, but it's implied to be someone else, possibly the "experiment" that kills Tracey & Sam in NYC.

To me, it currently seems like the thing in the box co-opted Jeffries's identity and has it out for DoppelCoop, but it's unclear if the manufacturing of and hit on Dougie were planned by DoppelCoop or by Jeffries/"the experiment" behind DoppelCoop's back.

You bring a point I am confused about. In the phone call that DoppelCoop intercepts, it seems Jeffries is ordering the hit. However, later DoppelCoop asks Daria who ordered the hit. So I am confused who really wants DoppelCoop dead (maybe I have to re-watch that scene).

[N. Needleman]

To me, it currently seems like the thing in the box co-opted Jeffries's identity and has it out for DoppelCoop, but it's unclear if the manufacturing of and hit on Dougie were planned by DoppelCoop or by Jeffries/"the experiment" behind DoppelCoop's back.

You bring a point I am confused about. In the phone call that DoppelCoop intercepts, it seems Jeffries is ordering the hit. However, later DoppelCoop asks Daria who ordered the hit. So I am confused who really wants DoppelCoop dead (maybe I have to re-watch that scene).

Not sure it was Jeffries ordering the hit on the Bad Dale. Just someone posing as Jeffries. Though it's possible he is also dispensing with his partner.

I think the Bad Dale/Jeffries were behind the hit on Dougie/Cooper.

[Twink Peaks]

Linda ?

Spoiler:

[Mr. Reindeer]

You bring a point I am confused about. In the phone call that DoppelCoop intercepts, it seems Jeffries is ordering the hit. However, later DoppelCoop asks Daria who ordered the hit. So I am confused who really wants DoppelCoop dead (maybe I have to re-watch that scene).

And then, to top it all off, DoppelCoop then calls Jeffries like nothing's wrong! Admittedly he might be playing it cool to keep the upper hand (not letting Jeffries know he knows). But the whole scene plays a bit oddly -- in an intriguing way.

[Fireboob]

My theory is a bit patchy but here are my thoughts

P jefferies has already had dealings with bad coop prior to him appearing in the fbi head quarters. I think this as he points to cooper and says "who do you think this is ? " with the line is it future or is it past being mentioned in this series and with the plot by jefferies to kill bad coop I am starting to think p jefferies was taken by the lodge and plonked 25 years in the future. Similar to the way good cooper has been let out of the lodge 25 years later with the man with one arm saying " is it future or is it past "

Were jefferies says "we live in a dream" i wonder if that was his experience in the lodge like cooper.

[Fireboob]

Maybe there are 2 jefferies as well as coopers

[Fireboob]

Maybe there are 2 jefferies as well as coopers

Maybe jefferies appearance in the fbi hq is the same as annies in lauras bed in fwwm ??

[seacow]

sorry to bring this back up as I know there's no definitive answer, but Re: Fat Trout's location...

I don't think it's moved. Everyone seems to being going off that assumption because of the sign with the "new" attached, but look at the bottom right corner -- it's meant to read "New Manager." This doesn't mean that we know it's still in the same place and we still don't know where Deer Meadow is exactly. I just don't see why Carl would be riding into town "damn near every day" and it would be TP if the trailer park is nearer to DM, though DM could be much smaller and not have a post office... I guess it depends on where the hit and run occurred? If it happened in Deer Meadow, maybe the deal with Red was in TP, and both Richard and the RR teacher Miriam left around the same time heading the same way (towards DM). it makes sense that the teacher, if she works in Deer Meadow, would drive into Twin Peaks for the famous cherry pie & coffee, then head back to work. in that case, where was Richard going? Mary Ann's? to be clear, I'm assuming that DM and TP are close enough to be next town over, but Fat Trout is still outside of Deer Meadow and is their closest town.

maybe this is rambling and confusing, but I noticed the "manager" on my first view so it really surprised me that no one else here seemed to point it out! what do y'all think? was Carl specifically said to be the manager in FWWM, or did he simply own it and hire someone else to manage? I still think it's entirely possible that the park has moved but not based off the sign at least. anyone have a screenshot of Fat Trout's exterior from FWWM for comparison?

[N. Needleman]

I feel pretty confident it has moved to Twin Peaks.

[Mr. Reindeer]

The "manager" sign is pointing the way to the manager's office. It's an arrow. It was in FWWM too. It's meant to be a "new" trailer park.

[wxray]

Right. The standard phrase is "Under New Management" if you want to assure your customers that the old douche bag manager is gone.

[Mibbler]

Re:

B) Secret Diary. Leland tears pages out *before* the Annie dream. Laura takes this to Harold. Leland brings some of the torn out pages to the crime scene when he murders Laura, but, they are unreadable. Later, on Harold's death, Harold mails a torn out page to Donna containing mention of the dream about her and Cooper. There is also an entry written on the day of Laura's death that would've had to have been written at Harold's place.


It seems that Laura went back to Harold's to write down that final bit, "Tonight is the night that I die" I think that passage read, so maybe she wrote about the Annie dream at that point
OR perhaps Annie appeared in her dreams over and over.

Fire Walk With Me can be read as a fever dream or a half remembered recollection of events, since Donna is someone else, Norma's hair is too short, any number of other inconsistencies. you could see it as Laura's recollections or Cooper imagining events or some other person dreamweaving, hence "We live inside a dream"...

We musn´t forget that Hawk said in episode 29 that he found the torn pages in Glastonbury Grove, near the circle of sycamores. Maybe we should understand that Leland/BOB was wearing those pages with him all along, during the murder at the train and after that as well, on his way to the gateway of the lodge. But, if that´s the case, why would he throw those pages in that part of the forest before entering the lodge? It wouldn´t be a smart move for BOB leaving this kind of evidence in such a place... Or maybe, BOB forgot those pages in the train after murdering Laura and MIKE picked them up and was him who threw them before entering the lodge waiting for BOB to come. Maybe MIKE threw all of them there... except the ones that told the appearance of Annie and her enigmatic message "The good Dale is in the lodge and he can´t leave". He could have kept them to go some days later to he Sheriff´s station and leave them INSIDE one of the restroom´s doors (I´m saying literally "inside" the door, using his supernatural powers, knowing that 25 years later that door would be enough deteriorated to allow someone like Hawk to guess that maybe there could be something inside).

Some random thoughts...

[WhiteLodge90]

I could be wrong about this, but I'm just wondering whether the people who have a major problem with slow scenes are people that don't meditate. We all know that David Lynch is really into meditation. We also know how most people these days can't sit still for more than a few seconds without looking at their phone for another dopamine hit from something quick and easy to be entertained by.

It's possible that Lynch's slow scenes are a perfect opportunity to practice being at peace in situations where nothing dramatic happens for a while.

I say this as someone who meditates a lot and who will happily spend quite a lot of time standing in the woods staring up at the trees as I watch them blow in the breeze. Spending 15 or 20 minutes watching a slow David Lynch scene is not really a problem for me. And I'm sure that these slow scenes make the dramatic scenes all the more dramatic. I had really settled into the slow pace of this episode when suddenly that kid got run over. That felt like I was suddenly grabbed and thrown against a wall. If the whole episode had been at that pace it wouldn't have been anywhere near as powerful.

But if the slow scenes and the Dougie Cooper saga are really just not your thing, that's totally fine, but maybe it means Lynch's style doesn't suit you? There are plenty of other things to watch, so there's no need to watch The Return? We're a 3rd of the way in, so it's obvious this is the style of this whole series. If you're not enjoying it, no need to torture yourself by forcing yourself to sit through it.

Or if you still want to watch the exciting bits, maybe you can skip watching the broadcast version and watch it online and skip through the bits you find boring? I know there's not a perfect solution, but this series is already done, and this is obviously the style of it, so maybe that's just the way it is.

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This post bleeds with judgmental assumptions. I've enjoyed the show I just find some flaws in it like any piece of art really. I don't like the pacing of ONE story line that seems to be taking upwards of 15-20 mins an episode and also the cuts and story line or lack there of, of the original characters. I don't need to be told not to watch if there is a thing or two about the new show I have criticism about. That's my right. I love this show and the newer one is just very different in some ways I like the difference in others I'm not sure if I like it yet or not. Simple as that. I love mostly all of Lynch's work (With the exception of Inland Empire) So I know his "style" and still enjoy this new inclination. There's no eyelash plucking torture going on while I watch the new series more so looking at the clock because it sucks the hour is almost over. I watch every episode with the surround sound on and the curtains drawn. Also no electronics near me so it's not as if I can't stay focused,