Part 7 - There's a body all right (SPOILERS)

[BEARisonFord]

Well, for one she was IN THE LODGE with Cooper. Finding out what happened to him would start there. By at least talking to her. Not to mention she was the one to give Laura the message about Cooper!

Again, this is purely a plot device to get Cooper into the Lodge. I wouldn't be surprised if we find out what may have happened to Annie afterwards, but I just don't think any of this compels Lynch/Frost to include her in a story that clearly has little to do with her.

I understand what you mean, but from a realistic story point of view, the characters trying to find out what happened to Cooper would start by talking to Annie. I understand Lynch/Frost might not be interested in that. But Hawk and Truman would start there.

Welp, we got 11 hours to see what happens, but I'd bet we never see her again.

[mtwentz]

Well, for one she was IN THE LODGE with Cooper. Finding out what happened to him would start there. By at least talking to her. Not to mention she was the one to give Laura the message about Cooper!

Again, this is purely a plot device to get Cooper into the Lodge. I wouldn't be surprised if we find out what may have happened to Annie afterwards, but I just don't think any of this compels Lynch/Frost to include her in a story that clearly has little to do with her.

I understand what you mean, but from a realistic story point of view, the characters trying to find out what happened to Cooper would start by talking to Annie. I understand Lynch/Frost might not be interested in that. But Hawk and Truman would start there.

I'll go even further- I don't care if Annie was a plot device or not. We are made to believe that Annie is Coop's second great love, after Caroline and that he was willing to sacrifice his soul for her.

Audrey, on the other hand, was a girl he cared about, but there is no evidence Coop was 'in love' with her.

So I believe we will have some accounting for Annie's final fate in some way, shape or form, possibly even including a surprise Heather Graham appearance. I ain't bettin' the farm on it though- it's ultimately Lynch and Frost's creative choice and I suppose they could go the rest of the show without mentioning her again.

[Mr. Reindeer]

While this was possibly my favorite Part to date, I'm having trouble seeing why some people who were super down on the show previously viewed this as some colossal turnaround. The pacing and style of this one felt completely of a piece with everything that came before. The only real difference I can see is that we spent more time with old characters, and familiar plot points are slowly coming into play (Annie, the diary, Briggs). Also, DoppelCoop is thankfully out of prison (I'm just now realizing that his imprisonment was a much bigger drain on the narrative progression than DroolCoop IMO). To be fair, I guess the other appreciable shift is that we spent a lot less time with "Dougie,"a storyline I know a lot of people hate (and I understand why). But I was surprised to see how many people viewed this one as some colossal shift.

Haven't combed through all of this thread yet, but great find on the Nancy/pumpkin diary entry! So cool that they are incorporating elements from the books (which are mushy canon to me, but I love seeing this stuff brought in and turned into full canon!). I love that it even actually lines up with a torn-out page. Wonder whose idea that was? Mark's? A prop person's? Sheryl Lee's? (I assume that's her handwriting -- has anyone done a comparison to the original or FWWM diary entries?)

Few more random thoughts:

Did anyone else note the awkwardness when Diane hugs Gordon? She hugs him tight, like she really needs it, but he just sort of puts his arms near her, not quite touching her. Overabundance of caution about sexual harassment claims given his alleged reputation? General aversion to touchy-feely stuff? Something in particular about Diane? Will be interesting to see how/if the Gordon/Diane relationship parallels DKL & "Tid Bit," as with the Gordon/Coop relationship. You could tell Dern relished that "Fuck you Gordon!"

Maybe I'm missing something obvious, but why is Doc Hayward's Skype handle "MiddleburyDoc"? Is this some private Frost family thing? Minnesota reference? I'm not finding any real-world Middleburys in the vicinity of TP. Speaking of, sure was poignant to see Warren, particularly on Father's Day. I assume that's all we'll get of him.Terrific to see him looking in good spirits. Really curious how Gerstein will figure into this -- assuming Alicia Witt isn't just playing a new character since she obviously looks totally different.

Really liking the actress who plays Lt. Knox, hope she gets more to do. Ditto Constance the Buckhorn forensics specialist. Both come across as professional and competent but still warm, a tough thing to pull off.

South America connections: we now have Jeffries in Buenos Aires, an FBI man in Colombia killed seemingly by Coop/Jeffries (what the hell is the FBI doing inColombia anyway, wouldn't that be the CIA's jurisdiction), and Coop had a house in Rio (which he apparently sold to the Girl from Ipanema ).

I was confused by Janey-E yelling at Dougie for the money they paid out for his gambling debts. She says if he hadn't gambled, the money she paid out would have gone to Sonny Jim's savings. But they only had that money because DougieCoop came home with the huge sack of cash he won by...gambling! Not only that, they still have a ton of that money left, yet Janey-E makes it sound like they're strapped for cash (implying that they can barely afford to get him a new car). Sorry if this has been addressed, I'm gonna read through the whole thread later today, but it seemed pretty weird to me. That being said, I love Janey-E's obsession with telling people that they drive terrible cars. I want Naomi to get more dramatic work, but she's killing it with the comedy.

It's interesting that although DougieCoop lacks even the most basic human behavioral functions, physical violence (albeit of the defensive/protective variety) seems to be the only behavior we've seen that is completely natural/instinctive to him (albeit with a bit of guidance from the Arm -- I freaking love that thing). Wonder what this says about our Coop.

[Ross]

Again, this is purely a plot device to get Cooper into the Lodge. I wouldn't be surprised if we find out what may have happened to Annie afterwards, but I just don't think any of this compels Lynch/Frost to include her in a story that clearly has little to do with her.

I understand what you mean, but from a realistic story point of view, the characters trying to find out what happened to Cooper would start by talking to Annie. I understand Lynch/Frost might not be interested in that. But Hawk and Truman would start there.

Welp, we got 11 hours to see what happens, but I'd bet we never see her again.

I don't think we will either, because I agree that Lynch & Frost weren't interested. I just think story-wise it doesn't make much sense. As in Hawk and Truman want to find out about Cooper. What happened to Cooper in the Lodge? And what does this message about Good/Bad Cooper mean? Gee, I wish there would have been someone in there with him that we could ask... Or we could ask the person who gave the message to Laura...

[mtwentz]

While this was possibly my favorite Part to date, I'm having trouble seeing why some people who were super down on the show previously viewed this as some colossal turnaround. The pacing and style of this one felt completely of a piece with everything that came before. The only real difference I can see is that we spent more time with old characters, and familiar plot points are slowly coming into play (Annie, the diary, Briggs). Also, DoppelCoop is thankfully out of prison (I'm just now realizing that his imprisonment was a much bigger drain on the narrative progression than DroolCoop IMO). To be fair, I guess the other appreciable shift is that we spent a lot less time with "Dougie,"a storyline I know a lot of people hate (and I understand why). But I was surprised to see how many people viewed this one as some colossal shift.

I loved this episode too, but it felt a little less 'Lynchian' to me, almost like the Frost directed episode of Season 1 (an episode I also love, but do not re-watch nearly as many times as the Season Premiere of Season 2, which is super slow paced and totally Lynchian).

[BEARisonFord]

I'll go even further- I don't care if Annie was a plot device or not. We are made to believe that Annie is Coop's second great love, after Caroline and that he was willing to sacrifice his soul for her. .

Well that literally has everything to do with her being a plot device: Raise the personal stakes high enough for Coop to feel compelled to neglect his better judgement and get him into the Lodge. They chose to use Annie for that purpose.

Anyway, I think i've sufficiently drilled this into the ground so like I said above, we'll see what happens!

[pinballmars]

It seems like anyone in Twin Peaks World who wears or even touches the green ring either dies or disappears. If we accept the FWWM "MIssing Pieces" as canon (and I do), it seems like a real possibility that Annie might no longer be among the living. Even if the ring was stolen from her. But who knows? This series is so beautifully unpredictable.

[boske]

I'd be ecstatic if we got to see Annie since she was such a huge part of the original cliffhanger. That scene was all we had for 25 years, her dream message to Laura will help identify Cooper's identity now, and it is more important to see Heidi giggling instead? Plus she'd be a perfect bait for Bad Coop.

Anyway, that is not what I wanted to say here. It has to do with stolen cars. It is an analogy for a spirit possession. Yes, Dougie's car has been stolen or lost, dependening on how you look at it, but it is Cooper's body that has been stolen from him, possessed by something, some entity or force. His body as a vehicle for his soul. This is what is being aluded to here. Jerry's trip simply enforces it, him having an almost sort of out-of-body ("where's my car" or "I am not conscious of my body") experience as a result of inhaling a drug. "There's a body all right?" may have something do with this topic perhaps?

[Shloogorgh]

While this was possibly my favorite Part to date, I'm having trouble seeing why some people who were super down on the show previously viewed this as some colossal turnaround.

It has everything to do with a sense of narrative flow. One scene would feed directly into the next, instead of teasing interesting developments and withholding them in favor of jumping to the next plotline. In previous weeks it was only the Dougie-Coop narrative that wasn't progressing in spurts.

I kept expecting a cut to something different before Diane met with Mr C, but we stuck with it, and that was incredibly satisfying.

[WhiteLodge90]

While this was possibly my favorite Part to date, I'm having trouble seeing why some people who were super down on the show previously viewed this as some colossal turnaround.

It has everything to do with a sense of narrative flow. One scene would feed directly into the next, instead of teasing interesting developments and withholding them in favor of jumping to the next plotline. In previous weeks it was only the Dougie-Coop narrative that wasn't progressing in spurts.

I kept expecting a cut to something different before Diane met with Mr C, but we stuck with it, and that was incredibly satisfying.

100% agree with this. I was convinced we'd have to wait a week or two for Dianne's meeting with Coop and was very satisfied to see everything progress so nicely.

[yaxomoxay]

Ok - Can ANYONE figure out what Dougie says while Jennie-E is talking right before the shooting? She says "Sonny Jim" and he says something as the loud sound begins. I cranked my headphones up and I can hear him saying something, I hear his voice but I can't understand what he says. Anyone?

I feel it's another YREV moment.

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[Gabriel]

While this was possibly my favorite Part to date, I'm having trouble seeing why some people who were super down on the show previously viewed this as some colossal turnaround.

It has everything to do with a sense of narrative flow. One scene would feed directly into the next, instead of teasing interesting developments and withholding them in favor of jumping to the next plotline. In previous weeks it was only the Dougie-Coop narrative that wasn't progressing in spurts.

I kept expecting a cut to something different before Diane met with Mr C, but we stuck with it, and that was incredibly satisfying.

Agreed. The episode felt cohesive. It had structure. One thing led to another. And, for an ageing Neanderthal like me, I simply liked seeing old characters and hearing references to old plotlines. I have no problem with new characters and with moving outside the town, but a grounding in the town and its inhabitants was and is, it seems, important to my enjoyment!

[Shloogorgh]

I was relieved to see the Annie dream made its way into the narrative. I will be disappointed if that's the only mention Annie gets. I don't think it will be. I remember someone asking Kyle on twitter if we would get an answer to the question "How's Annie?" and his response was something like "count on it." We really haven't gotten an answer to that without knowing her well being.

I do fear that if she hasn't been killed by Mr C that she might have committed suicide. She attempted to in the fallout of a bad relationship before, and what could be worse than having the person you were just starting to trust be replaced by an evil doppelganger?

[krishnanspace]

David and Mark have definitely watched the old series.The way they have connected everything says it all

[Mairzy]

Ok - Can ANYONE figure out what Dougie says while Jennie-E is talking right before the shooting? She says "Sonny Jim" and he says something as the loud sound begins. I cranked my headphones up and I can hear him saying something, I hear his voice but I can't understand what he says. Anyone?

I feel it's another YREV moment.

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I saw that but I couldn't hear him say anything after a rewind or two. He is mouthing something randomly.