Part 7 - There's a body all right (SPOILERS)

[LateReg]

Does the discovery of the dossier predate The Return? Has TP already done her work on it?
That was my assumption before The Return started, but I'm not so sure.
I've been looking for a dossier in every crime scene/scene of crime we've seen so far.

Have we had it definitely confirmed that Agent TP is Tammy Preston? I just started reading Secret History recently, and the redacted signature of Agent TP does not look like the name it is blocking out is Tammy Preston. Granted, that could just be a continuity error. But it could also explain why the on-screen character doesn't seem to know too much about the history of the case.

The end of the book confirms what the initials TP stand for.

[Here Comes That Bob]

But she doesn't just go "fuck you" to former coworkers/acquaintances as a little quirk. She is genuinely pissed off and acts infinitely colder than any sane person. Think about how scandalously she behaves. It is not close to normal. Not even letting Albert talk to her when he came all the way to see her. Telling random innocent people she doesn't know at all, like Tammy, to go fuck herself too.
If she got burned or neglected in some way by good Coop, romantically or otherwise, saying 'good' wouldn't be a leap at all for a person with the traits she has exhibited.

When Diane is informed that Cooper is in jail, she thinks about it for a while, then says "....good.", a reaction consistent with the rest of her appalling behavior, and notice that her saying that doesn't even surprise Gordon. If this was so different from the rest of her behavior as you say, why wouldn't Gorden or Albert be extremely surprised by it?
Instead, these people who know her well, interpret it as just 'Diane being Diane'. Gordon even notes in the same scene, in relation to another cold remark from her that she has always been that way, so her behavior is not the result of assault by bad Coop.

Also, If you are raped by a coworker, an FBI agent no less, why wouldn't you report it? She'd be partly RESPONSIBLE next time he rapes another random woman or a coworker.
This would be irredeemable for the character of Diane, on top of her disgusting behavior so far (Not sure why fans on the board love her, other than 'it's Diane!')
Additionally, not reporting a rape, yet wanting him to end up in jail makes no sense.

I just don't understand why so many people want to assume that she was raped by bad Coop, without being able to present a clear case.
She could easily have been pissed off by good Coop in some way, especially considering how cold and hostile she is by default, and was back then too according to Cole.
Yet for the assault/rape theory to be true, there are so many factors working against it that it would be pretty bad writing so far if it turned out to actually be true.

I find her attitude pretty consistent with people who've been raped. Many of them feel guilty, or ashamed, or some way responsible, rather than the rapist having committed a crime. Some of them simply think they won't be believed. Would you believe Dale Cooper capable of rape? The opening lines of your argument, that saying "fuck you" is not a little quirk and shows she is genuinely pissed off is, for me, one of the signposts to her having been abused some way. Being told he is in prison, pausing, and then saying "good" in such a cold manner strikes me as someone who feels justice is done. A person who had just been neglected or burned I think would be confused as to why Coop might be in prison, or would laugh it off somehow. Saying "good" in that situation would come across as somewhat psychotic or sociopathic, and I believe Dale always considered her as something of a saint, which seems a significant clash.

But saying "good" after learning that Cooper is in prison could equally easily be interpreted as a sign of resentment and dissapointment in him for being missing for 25 years, not neccessarily as a satisfying reaction. And the thing is that Diane is not the same person she was 25 years ago, she's angry, vulgar and obviously resentful towards everything FBI related. Therefore her reaction to that isn't so unusual.

Another thing that strikes me a bit is that when she ultimately confides in Cole that this is not the Cooper she knew. If she really had an encounter with the Doppelganger, wouldn't she be less suprised and shaken than now ? Wouldn't Albert and Cole have any input in this, especially if she was attacked?

My guess is that the reason for Diane's resentment is of romantic nature and possibly anger towards Gordon for endangering Cooper's life while sending him to investigate Project Blue Rose after disappearance of Chester Desmond and Phillip Jeffries.

[Voided]

I thought the sweeping scene was pretty intense and probably my favourite so far. You could feel the suspense over whether he would the keep the debris in several small piles or combine them.

[Mallard]

This may have been discussed already, but did anyone notice that one of the bysatnders that gathers around Dougie and Janey after the Ike fight was missing his left arm? It was mentioned on a podcast I listen to, and I just rewatched the scene to confirm it (it isn't Gerard/Mike).

May be nothing, but that would be a pretty big coincidence, considering the presence of the Arm in that scene.

[wxray]

This may have been discussed already, but did anyone notice that one of the bysatnders that gathers around Dougie and Janey after the Ike fight was missing his left arm? It was mentioned on a podcast I listen to, and I just rewatched the scene to confirm it (it isn't Gerard/Mike).

May be nothing, but that would be a pretty big coincidence, considering the presence of the Arm in that scene.

Nice catch.

[wxray]

The tension between Ben and Beverly was palpable. I really wasn't sure where this scene was going. Ben held up here at just the last moment:

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[Panapaok]

Hearing the next ep of #TwinPeaks is a wild one, though I have no specifics.

https://twitter.com/EWDocJensen/status/ ... 0645445632

[polishq]

Hearing the next ep of #TwinPeaks is a wild one, though I have no specifics.

https://twitter.com/EWDocJensen/status/ ... 0645445632

Ooooooooooooooooooh boy

[kafa81]

Hearing the next ep of #TwinPeaks is a wild one, though I have no specifics.

https://twitter.com/EWDocJensen/status/ ... 0645445632

Uh oh....the last ep before the 2 week hiatus ....

Mordeen or Jerry have to have some inside info on this

Would either of you care to throw us some info? nothing spoilerish...just you know something to make us hate ourselves even more before Sunday?

[kafa81]

Is it a coincidence that the last episode ended with that totally weird scene in the Double R .... and now we are expecting a totally wild episode this week?
LostInTheMovies said One Saliva Bubble is like Dougie Coop on steriods...I believe Madchen mentioned that Lynch told her during filming despite her character name being whatever it is she could be playing a different character....you think we are headed in a totally weird direction? Even weirder than what we have seen already?

[vicksvapor77]

The tension between Ben and Beverly was palpable. I really wasn't sure where this scene was going. Ben held up here at just the last moment:

benbev.JPG

I did notice the insane sexual tension, it was fantastic. I like that they're portraying Ben as a person that has tried to do better over the last 25 years and thus far has resisted Beverly. I think he will continue to do so, too. It's interesting though because didn't Frost write most of Ben's dark side back into the book?

We also don't understand Ben and Beverly's place in the larger narrative structure quite yet, aside from Ben getting the old room key.

[Electric Tree]

I guess Im going to have to go back and rewatch that ending because I thought it was Jerry running into the Double R diner and yelling if anyone had seen Ben

[Here Comes That Bob]

The tension between Ben and Beverly was palpable. I really wasn't sure where this scene was going. Ben held up here at just the last moment:

benbev.JPG

I did notice the insane sexual tension, it was fantastic. I like that they're portraying Ben as a person that has tried to do better over the last 25 years and thus far has resisted Beverly. I think he will continue to do so, too. It's interesting though because didn't Frost write most of Ben's dark side back into the book?

We also don't understand Ben and Beverly's place in the larger narrative structure quite yet, aside from Ben getting the old room key.

Is the old room key the same one Jade put in the mail box ?

[DeepBlueSeed]

But she doesn't just go "fuck you" to former coworkers/acquaintances as a little quirk. She is genuinely pissed off and acts infinitely colder than any sane person. Think about how scandalously she behaves. It is not close to normal. Not even letting Albert talk to her when he came all the way to see her. Telling random innocent people she doesn't know at all, like Tammy, to go fuck herself too.
If she got burned or neglected in some way by good Coop, romantically or otherwise, saying 'good' wouldn't be a leap at all for a person with the traits she has exhibited.

When Diane is informed that Cooper is in jail, she thinks about it for a while, then says "....good.", a reaction consistent with the rest of her appalling behavior, and notice that her saying that doesn't even surprise Gordon. If this was so different from the rest of her behavior as you say, why wouldn't Gorden or Albert be extremely surprised by it?
Instead, these people who know her well, interpret it as just 'Diane being Diane'. Gordon even notes in the same scene, in relation to another cold remark from her that she has always been that way, so her behavior is not the result of assault by bad Coop.

Also, If you are raped by a coworker, an FBI agent no less, why wouldn't you report it? She'd be partly RESPONSIBLE next time he rapes another random woman or a coworker.
This would be irredeemable for the character of Diane, on top of her disgusting behavior so far (Not sure why fans on the board love her, other than 'it's Diane!')
Additionally, not reporting a rape, yet wanting him to end up in jail makes no sense.

I just don't understand why so many people want to assume that she was raped by bad Coop, without being able to present a clear case.
She could easily have been pissed off by good Coop in some way, especially considering how cold and hostile she is by default, and was back then too according to Cole.
Yet for the assault/rape theory to be true, there are so many factors working against it that it would be pretty bad writing so far if it turned out to actually be true.

I find her attitude pretty consistent with people who've been raped. Many of them feel guilty, or ashamed, or some way responsible, rather than the rapist having committed a crime. Some of them simply think they won't be believed. Would you believe Dale Cooper capable of rape? The opening lines of your argument, that saying "fuck you" is not a little quirk and shows she is genuinely pissed off is, for me, one of the signposts to her having been abused some way. Being told he is in prison, pausing, and then saying "good" in such a cold manner strikes me as someone who feels justice is done. A person who had just been neglected or burned I think would be confused as to why Coop might be in prison, or would laugh it off somehow. Saying "good" in that situation would come across as somewhat psychotic or sociopathic, and I believe Dale always considered her as something of a saint, which seems a significant clash.

But saying "good" after learning that Cooper is in prison could equally easily be interpreted as a sign of resentment and dissapointment in him for being missing for 25 years, not neccessarily as a satisfying reaction. And the thing is that Diane is not the same person she was 25 years ago, she's angry, vulgar and obviously resentful towards everything FBI related. Therefore her reaction to that isn't so unusual.

Another thing that strikes me a bit is that when she ultimately confides in Cole that this is not the Cooper she knew. If she really had an encounter with the Doppelganger, wouldn't she be less suprised and shaken than now ? Wouldn't Albert and Cole have any input in this, especially if she was attacked?

My guess is that the reason for Diane's resentment is of romantic nature and possibly anger towards Gordon for endangering Cooper's life while sending him to investigate Project Blue Rose after disappearance of Chester Desmond and Phillip Jeffries.

I guess we're getting very different readings about that word "good" then. Reacting to the news that he is in prison like that because she is resentful and disappointed strikes me as facile, which I might expect from someone a lot younger, but I wouldn't from the character we're presented with here. I agree that she is probably not the same person she was 25 years ago but, again, I'm not sure why she would be so angry and resentful of the FBI in general given that they were all agents, and all aware of the nature of agency work. Blue Rose, as much as I can tell, isn't any one case or project, but instead a designation for a certain type of case, and I suspect most of them don't lead to disappearances. I don't know though. There's so much NOT said here it's hard to tell. I'm looking forward to the next episode, assuming Diane has the opportunity to have the talk with Cole that she says they'll have, in response to him asking if there's something he should know. The fact that Diane says she has something to talk to him about suggests something a little more traumatic than it being Cooper turning her down, or Cole having sent the man she loved away. But again, all speculation.

I don't think she would have realised she'd met the doppelgänger before. I think the realisation that this is NOT Cooper, that this is someone or something that looks and acts like Cooper but isn't him, is why it's a shock now, and not before. We see a gradual dawning realisation over the episode, through the fingerprints and then the confrontation. When she first sees him he looks significantly different, and I assume that's why she asks for confirmation of when they last met. When he confirms those details, but still seems to be a stranger to her (because he's missing that certain something) she asks who he is, realising for the first time that it really isn't him. And that's when she starts to panic, and breaks down once she's out of there.

[Jerry Horne]

Hearing the next ep of #TwinPeaks is a wild one, though I have no specifics.

https://twitter.com/EWDocJensen/status/ ... 0645445632

Uh oh....the last ep before the 2 week hiatus ....

Mordeen or Jerry have to have some inside info on this

Would either of you care to throw us some info? nothing spoilerish...just you know something to make us hate ourselves even more before Sunday?

Sorry, I got nothing. Surprise and anticipation are the most wonderful things a fan can own at this point.