Part 7 - There's a body all right (SPOILERS)

[douglasb]

I'm now leaning towards 'Dougie' for the long haul. The idea of 'The Return' being the journey, not the destination.

[Elad Repooc]

I'm now leaning towards 'Dougie' for the long haul. The idea of 'The Return' being the journey, not the destination.

Ahh, it's just clicked for me! "The Return" has a double meaning. Not only is it a return of the TV series, but it also refers to the return of Dale Cooper back to his old self, and back to Twin Peaks.

[Panapaok]

Freaking out right now

H-Y-P-E!

[Cooperscoffeecup]

Sabrina Sutherland, Peter Deming and Amy Shiels all hyping part 8.

Why would Amy Shields be hyping the next part, unless she is piggybacking off the others hype? I thought the only actor who knew the whole story was Kyle? Didn't all the other actors only get lines for their scenes and didn't know how they related to the broader story?

[N. Needleman]

I am personally hoping for either Sheryl Lee or the return of Cooper today, but I am not banking on either. Especially not the latter (and for the record, I am quite enjoying the Dougie saga as is too). I am also suspecting Bowie, but again, not banking.

That or the little pilgrim in my avatar will show up at Dougie's door with his mom and say "this would look nice on your wall."

[Ragnell]

I admit I think this every week, but I'm going to say we'll see the full Dale resurgence in Part 8. Not a complete restoral of the old young Dale, like he sprang out of a time capsule, of course. But I think his conscious personality will resurface sometime during the next two parts.

The Doppelganger is out of prison and on the move, therefore it's a natural time to get Dale's plot moving as well. We've just learned that he'll resurface to deal with a crisis, maybe he just needs to be presented with a crisis that can't be resolved so quickly. Or this wakeup is like the initial alarm going off, and he'll slowly come to over the next day or so.

I know, I could be wrong, but I don't think Dale's going to be like this for the second half of the story I think he's back before he leaves Vegas, because of how everyone reacts to him. The characters in Vegas are used to the sleepwalking, barely responsive, probably drunk or hungover Dougie. They are not used to a straightforward, active, heroic personality like Dale's. And whatever changes happened from the Black Lodge, that's what the Dougie story proves is the core of Dale Cooper. The character is a hero and a force for change and goodness. Dougie is just Dale Cooper sleepwalking through life, and as he does he manages to better the lives of the innocent around him like the Slot Lady, Green Tea Frank, Janey-E (who received a financial windfall with him as well as a clear husband upgrade) and worsen the lives of the corrupt (Coworker Tony, the Casino Management) without even meaning to. And the two times we've seen the true Dale resurface it's disrupted everything in the scene. First, when he blurted out "He's lying." The entire meeting stopped, and it led to the boss learning about a serious problem at the company. Second, when he fought off Ike the Spike. That disrupted everything so much it hit the news.

Maybe he'll be a little quieter, maybe he'll be a little more distracted, but Dale Cooper is going to wake up in time to spend at least one day with these people as Dale rather than Dougie and it is going to turn Las Vegas Up. Side. Down.

According to my understanding it will be a very very cheap cop-out for a quick and sudden restore of the good old Dale Cooper. So far the story showed us a real physical duality of Dale Cooper, both with distinct competences and properties. Restoring to the old one requires either a confrontation between the two "opposites," or the death of the bad one and some intervention by the Lodge. Well, what I am trying to tell is that a quick and fast, out of the blue, recovering would not feel right to me; it needs a genuine (inner/outer) struggle first. But, this is a Lynch/Frost production so no-one can tell for sure ...

I don't see a physical duality, realy this last ep rules out the idea that the competences and physical abilities are split. Good Dale/DougieCoop has the same combat abilities that DoppelCoop has, and he displayed it here. The difference was the willingness to kill, which is again a moral thing and not a competence thing. We've seen both Coops healing from the events of Episode 3 in tandem, Doppelcoop restoring his powers and regaining his freedom, Good Dale slowly getting used to physical reality again. I'm reading this to mean that Good Dale will be restored one his own, in his own time.

And we have been seeing a genuine inner struggle, honestly. In part 6 he had to focus and concentrate on the papers to draw on them. He was clearly making an effort when interacting with Mullins to say "Make... sense of it" (not this, which would have been the echo, but "it") His quietly repeating "help" was indicative too. Reaching for the badge, reaching for the statue... It seems to me these aren't necessarily fixations but a desperate attempt to reach through the fog he's experiencing? An attempt to focus and grasp what's happening around him so he can continue on his goal, but his own sense of shock and disbelief at what's happened to him is fighting him. He clearly spent all day drawing in his office, concentrating furiously on those drawings since he picked up a pencil in Part 6. Why? Because something in his mind is desperately trying to be heard and seen.

I notice a lot of reviewers and fans see DougieCoop as complete passivity, but I've been reading it as Cooper fighting passivity. Like someone battling desperately with depression or anxiety or some other mental illness, he's fighting himself and his environment (which is constantly reinforcing this Dougie identity) at once.



I mean, yeah, you could be right that it'll be slow and until the final conflict. That would work, the slow burn has been working. But to me, suddenly coming out of this would be a TRIUMPH and the culmination of every effort he's made since episode 4. DougieCoop is Dale fighting his own trauma, the expectations of those around him, and basically society shoving him into an identity that doesn't suit him. His true self isn't dormant, it's BURIED. I'd be very satisfied with a sudden awakening and wouldn't read it as coming out of nowhere at all.

[Mairzy]

Edit. NVmind

[Calderon]

Freaking out right now

H-Y-P-E!

Would love to see more of the Palmer family. I'm still very curious about Leland. I'm sure we will see much more of Sarah and Laura, but I'm not so sure with Leland. Judging from the trailers and rumors very dark things will happen in the Palmer house.

[KyleRickards]

Why are people expecting a big cliffhanger tomorrow tied into the 2 week break? The break is just for the July 4th weekend.

I am a bit confused, surely it's a one week gap, not two?


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[KyleRickards]

I don't think the Coop of old is coming back. He has spent too much time in the Lodge, you don't just bounce back from something like that. IMO

Just because we want to see the old Coop doesn't mean we're gonna. Heck, I wanted a lot more Laura Palmer and a lot more in the town of Twin Peaks.

I don't think we are getting a season 4. I keep reading people say they think there will be a season 4, where Cooper is "normal" and we spend more time in Twin Peaks and things are like the original series again. That's not happening. This is what were getting, it's amazing, its just not going to be what we expected.

I'm guilty of it too but saying what you want to happen like old coop coming back( he might, but he also most likely wont) and other things like a season 4 that is more suited to what you want, takes away from whats happening now. Its most likely the only Twin Peaks we will get, so stop making things up to suit your wants, and enjoy the ride we're on.

I'm loving Season 3 and if a Season 4 (which I can't see happening) is Cooper just wandering round being 'normal', I'd rather this season goes out with a bang, leaving questions for us to remember and speculate on - much like the original Season 2/FWWM


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[frompureair]

The Revelation 12 sign that's mentioned in the Bible is supposed to appear Sept. 23. 2 weeks after the finale. Jupiter is currently in the womb I've noticed a couple similarities in the new season but probably nothing in literally trying to find any and all clues and this just seems like something Lynch would know about. I am even more hyped now, I was just hoping tonight wasn't a slow burn episode that ended on a cliffhanger but after reading the last few pages in more pumped than ever!

[KyleRickards]

ok everyone, here ya go - a spreadsheet with columns for:
the complete cast list that was announced on april 25, 2016
the character that cast member plays
which episodes of season 3 they appear in
which location the character is first seen in season 3
and a few other details that will help you remember those with smaller roles
also
a blank character name if they haven't appeared yet
a bold actor name if they weren't on the original cast list
an asterisk for returning cast/characters from S1/S2/FWWM/TMP

here it is:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... dGsCR8woaA

i'll update it within a day of each new episode.

Brilliant, thank you!


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[h2nho]

Wondering if all the hype is centered around

Spoiler:

this Palmer house scene appearing that everyone's been talking about.

[mtwentz]

Wondering if all the hype is centered around

Spoiler:

this Palmer house scene appearing that everyone's been talking about.

My guess is "No", we still have the Mitchum Brothers in Vegas to deal with.

[Mayday]

I'm guessing the Double RR "Billy" scene has been discussed and everyone can see how the position of the customers changes from one shot to another, but has anyone noticed how Heidi also 'jumps' from shot to shot - left hand side, to behind the counter, to the top right - finally looking bemused as she goes to pour coffee for her vanishing customers.

The collection of coats hanging by the door also changes.

Weird....