The Brown Lodge wrote:If the White Lodge does not exist in the same time, and actually sent "Laura" back to the 50s from the future, perhaps it is an insurance policy.
They would know that bob would possess her later, so by "priming" Laura with "all of man's innocence" or goodness or whatever, maybe it is a plan to destroy Bob once and for all.
The woman listening to the gramophone (the mother?) seemed pretty happy and "knowing" when she sent her through that weird trombone portal thing.
If that's the case, it really changes the way we've always read MIKE giving Laura the ring to prevent BOB from possessing her.
I am really starting to believe that the giant is god.
The Brown Lodge wrote:If the White Lodge does not exist in the same time, and actually sent "Laura" back to the 50s from the future, perhaps it is an insurance policy.
They would know that bob would possess her later, so by "priming" Laura with "all of man's innocence" or goodness or whatever, maybe it is a plan to destroy Bob once and for all.
The woman listening to the gramophone (the mother?) seemed pretty happy and "knowing" when she sent her through that weird trombone portal thing.
If that's the case, it really changes the way we've always read MIKE giving Laura the ring to prevent BOB from possessing her.
Could you elaborate? Do you mean it makes Mike seem more benevolent? Or something else?
Driftwood wrote:We saw the origin of the lodge stuff in our world and you people are crying about filler. unbelievable
loved this as a giant f u to everyone who was only just on board with last weeks episode
++++++!
Reactionaries (conservatives) looking for traditional narrative should go elsewhere rather than repeating the same old cliched critiques each week. Critiques that apply to what they know and like: traditional narrative.
I never expected Lynch+Frost to do anything resembling a straight-forward mythology episode that fleshes out the Lodge cosmology and hierarchy like this, so tonight was a really welcome surprise.
Is BOB still inside of DoppelCoop though? I half suspect that BOB is now with Jeffries. Surely he knew that when Ray attempted to kill DoppelCoop, that something like this would happen. Jeffries has spent time in the Convenience Store, and has been to their meetings, or so he claims. It's very likely that the dirty woodsmen characters were acting on his behalf in retrieving BOB.
Esselgee wrote:I'm not sure how but somehow I missed "the convenience store" scene you guys are talking about. I saw a diner and radio station, but nothing set in a convenience store. What am I missing?
What were you using to view this? (Hopefully not your phone).
The Brown Lodge wrote:If the White Lodge does not exist in the same time, and actually sent "Laura" back to the 50s from the future, perhaps it is an insurance policy.
They would know that bob would possess her later, so by "priming" Laura with "all of man's innocence" or goodness or whatever, maybe it is a plan to destroy Bob once and for all.
The woman listening to the gramophone (the mother?) seemed pretty happy and "knowing" when she sent her through that weird trombone portal thing.
If that's the case, it really changes the way we've always read MIKE giving Laura the ring to prevent BOB from possessing her.
Could you elaborate? Do you mean it makes Mike seem more benevolent? Or something else?
Maybe MIKE knew Laura's origins, of being the one to stop BOB. MIKE knows BOB is greedy, so he gives Laura the ring to prevent BOB from being destroyed by possessing her.
Though, will say I'm not completely sold on the idea that Laura being possessed is what would destroy BOB.
That was incredible. Unlike anything ever seen on television before, certainly. As much as I've loved the show so far, it didn't feel truly groundbreaking - truly vital - until tonight.
Esselgee wrote:Well, this was a frustrating episode. Just when the other storylines were getting good, we get pretty much no progress on them. There is limited time left and we're still waiting for some of our favorites characters to return (including the actual Agent Cooper). Oh, but instead we'll get 5 minutes of Nine Inch Nails and then a complete mind F from Mr. Lynch.
If they had this kind of budget for special effects, why do some of the previous FX look so bad? They should have spent more on filming scenes with the actual actors so they wouldn't have to do stuff like reuse shots.
I'm not sure how but somehow I missed "the convenience store" scene you guys are talking about. I saw a diner and radio station, but nothing set in a convenience store. What am I missing?
As much as everyone loved Episode 7, Episode 8 is the episode we'll be talking about and dissecting 10 years from now.
sylviecerise wrote:
If that's the case, it really changes the way we've always read MIKE giving Laura the ring to prevent BOB from possessing her.
Could you elaborate? Do you mean it makes Mike seem more benevolent? Or something else?
Maybe MIKE knew Laura's origins, of being the one to stop BOB. MIKE knows BOB is greedy, so he gives Laura the ring to prevent BOB from being destroyed by possessing her.
Though, will say I'm not completely sold on the idea that Laura being possessed is what would destroy BOB.
I am not convinced MIKE is privvy to the giant/white lodge "will", or infact that he is a benevolent character. He could be an independent agent. Finding out where MIKE came from would be interesting.
sylviecerise wrote:
If that's the case, it really changes the way we've always read MIKE giving Laura the ring to prevent BOB from possessing her.
Could you elaborate? Do you mean it makes Mike seem more benevolent? Or something else?
Maybe MIKE knew Laura's origins, of being the one to stop BOB. MIKE knows BOB is greedy, so he gives Laura the ring to prevent BOB from being destroyed by possessing her.
Though, will say I'm not completely sold on the idea that Laura being possessed is what would destroy BOB.
Interesting theory. But yeah I'm not sold on the idea that possessing Laura would destroy BOB. Perhaps MIKE gave Laura the ring to prevent BOB from possessing her so that she COULD destroy him. If he possessed her maybe she could no longer destroy him.
I'm so torn by this. I want to say I love it and that it's art and Lynch and all that jazz, but I can't. I started getting a bad feeling when NiN appeared and we saw the whole damn song, and that bad feeling didn't really go away.
Yes it seems like we got some origins here, but there was A LOT of footage they could have just skipped. We didn't need to spend THAT much time in the nuke/explosion/universe stuff. Sure it looked good, but... eh.
This is the first episode I didn't love. Will probably be the one I rewatch the least. Loved the White Lodge stuff, even though it dragged on a little. Recognised the floor pattern from the very first scene in E1 immediately.
So I guess Good Coop will die, get there and be sent back or something?
Agent Cooper. Listen to the sounds.
It is in our house now. It all can not be said aloud now.
Remember 4 - 3 - 0
Richard and Linda. Two birds with one stone.
You are far away.
The Brown Lodge wrote:
I am not convinced MIKE is privvy to the giant/white lodge "will", or infact that he is a benevolent character. He could be an independent agent. Finding out where MIKE came from would be interesting.
Agree, I've never read his actions in FWMM as purely good—they seemed selfish. But now I'm thinking throwing Laura that ring might have meant more than a play in a power struggle for garmonbozia.
