Part 10 - Laura is the one (SPOILERS)

[mtwentz]

So is 'The Experiment' creature from episode 1 the same as 'The Mother' creature that spewed BOB out into this world?

I suspect that 'The Experiment' was an attempt to create a new mother and harness it's dark power, but that's just my guess. I suspect that the experiment was somehow birthed by the ritual that killed Maj. Briggs and Ruth the librarian, but that could've just been a summoning.

That's an excellent idea and would explain how the creature is credited.

[pvilmur]

Sorry if this has already been pointed out -- did anyone else catch the pink milkshake/smoothie that Nadine was drinking on the table near the "Johnny bear"?

[referendum]

it is beyond the bounds of possibility that dougie coops buff body was CGI'd in as a joke?

[dustoff]

(a lot)

Thanks for this measured and reasonable response. It doesn't seem to me that you are motivated by an "agenda" here; that seems like a defensive and dismissive response to your argument.

I'm of the mind that the only thing uglier than DL's portrayal of violence against women is his depiction of male desire; the show itself feels like an interrogation of such aggression, and a thoughtful one at that. This having been said, one can question the dynamics of these representations without impugning the artistic integrity of DL himself. It is true, after all, that -- even if the show is often hard to watch -- such narrative conflicts form the basis of our "entertainment," and are thus similar to other media that are made with less pure (or, at least, less ambiguous) intentions. To deny this seems like an unproductive, and frankly (fan)boyish, reaction.

[referendum]

ps, re Lynch and male physical/ psychic violence against women ( a central theme of TP since series 1, also inland empire, blue velvet) this Vox review of part 10 is relevant:

There have been episodes since then where I’ve found myself reflexively shuddering when a woman enters view because I fear something bad might happen to her, whether by forces supernatural or (more often) otherwise.

And this is, I think, what Lynch and Frost intend. Twin Peaks contains lots of violence against women because the world it takes place in contains lots of violence against women, as does our world. This idea — that the kind of carefully constructed small-town utopia the American dream is built on comes with a hefty side of misogyny and violence against women — has been present in a lot of Lynch’s work. But it’s never been so prominently in the foreground as it is in this miniseries.

“Part 10” is all about how men’s relationships with women are too often destructive.

https://www.vox.com/culture/2017/7/17/1 ... n-misogyny

[Firewalkwithme91]

Can we assume that Miriam was Richard Horne´s school teacher at some point? Or did he just know her because Twin Peaks is a small town?

[thunderclap82]

It was really stupid of Miriam not to skip town after sending her letter. Or at least buy a gun to protect herself...

She doesn't seem like the brightest one. She also could just have not mentioned the letter.

I suspect she mentioned it to try and scare Richard and have him leave. She probably didn't expect him to attack her like that.

[hopesfall]

When I re-watch this, I think I'll have to skip the Richard attack on Sylvia/Johnny. It was bloody heartbreaking. I hated every second of that scene, especially Johnny sobbing, helpless like that.

Otherwise I thought it was pretty good! Very intrigued by Diane and her motives. Oh, and to make up for the time I'd lose from skipping the aforementioned, I'd listen to Carl's song twice! I loved that bit.

I've only just finished watching it, I may have more to say when I give it more time to gestate.

[anthoto1]

Can we assume that Miriam was Richard Horne´s school teacher at some point?

Miriam is/was much too young for this.

[thedougpa]

...

And for your next assignment, please provide a 1000 word essay on how the lack of consent between Dougie and his wife previous to sexual intercourse was tantamount to the rape of a mentally challenged man.

And, I know, I know, replacing your comment with an ellipsis was oppressive. I'm sorry.


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[LateReg]

She doesn't seem like the brightest one. She also could just have not mentioned the letter.

Isn't she a teacher?


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Yes you are right. If I had one problem with this episode, it is the fact that Miriam was stupid enough to let Richard know when she had sent the letter. If she was really afraid of him, she could have either gone directly to the sheriff or skipped town. But being in the situation she was in, she should have told him she had already notified the sheriff.

I think she told him that in that moment so that he WOULDN'T hurt her. Because hurting her would do no good if there was a letter that was already sent. That's how I interpreted it right when she told him.

[Nighthawk]

In my view, it is perfectly legit to bring up the topics of the violence against women in the show. It is obviously there for a reason- there is no way anyone can deny The Return is showing more violence against women than most T.V. shows. But what it 'means' is where the debate is.

I think the sad reality of the world is that women are much more susceptible to being the victims of violence than men, and that is what is being depicted by Lynch/Frost. That being said, for some balance, it is probably about time for a man to be victimized on the show. So far we've only had the beating taken by the casino manager. We have not had any men killed onscreen yet by another human being.

I think, if anything, the reactions to the show indicate that people are more sensitive to women being victims of violence. It's not like Twin Peaks shies away from showing men as victims. Just off the top of my head:
- Cooper getting shot in the stomach (both good and bad Coops in fact)
- Leo Johnson getting tortured by Windom Earle
- Major Briggs was also victimized by Earle and now he ended up as a headless corpse
- Big Ed was attacked and beaten up by Hank
- Hank was beaten up by Nadine, although he thoroughly deserved it of course, Hank was also demolished by the Asian guy who seemed to know his martial arts
- Albert was decked by Harry Truman
- Casino manager got knocked around for allowing Dougie to break the bank
- I've lost count how many Renault brothers have been killed or beaten up
- Ike the Spike had the palm of his hand ripped out

Of course it could be said that most of the men who were victims of violence had it coming in one way or another, but still. No one bats an eyelash when a guy is beaten up/maimed/killed and it is not seen as gratuitous. I think that Twin Peaks is actually very spot on with this unflinching look at violence, regardless of who happens to be the victim. Men are physically stronger so in highly volatile encounters, like we see in the show, brute strength often dominates. Twin Peaks has also provided a bevy of strong female characters over time time: Audrey Horne, Norma Jennings, Catherine Martell, Janey-E (aside from some obvious blind spots in her reactions to Dougie), and of course Laura Palmer.

[yaxomoxay]

ps, re Lynch and male physical/ psychic violence against women ( a central theme of TP since series 1, also inland empire, blue velvet) this Vox review of part 10 is relevant:

There have been episodes since then where I’ve found myself reflexively shuddering when a woman enters view because I fear something bad might happen to her, whether by forces supernatural or (more often) otherwise.

And this is, I think, what Lynch and Frost intend. Twin Peaks contains lots of violence against women because the world it takes place in contains lots of violence against women, as does our world. This idea — that the kind of carefully constructed small-town utopia the American dream is built on comes with a hefty side of misogyny and violence against women — has been present in a lot of Lynch’s work. But it’s never been so prominently in the foreground as it is in this miniseries.

“Part 10” is all about how men’s relationships with women are too often destructive.

https://www.vox.com/culture/2017/7/17/1 ... n-misogyny

Good article!


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[WholeDamnTown]

The way Candy was dancing around with that remote.. it reminded me a lot of Lil.

[Nighthawk]

Isn't she a teacher?


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Yes you are right. If I had one problem with this episode, it is the fact that Miriam was stupid enough to let Richard know when she had sent the letter. If she was really afraid of him, she could have either gone directly to the sheriff or skipped town. But being in the situation she was in, she should have told him she had already notified the sheriff.

I think she told him that in that moment so that he WOULDN'T hurt her. Because hurting her would do no good if there was a letter that was already sent. That's how I interpreted it right when she told him.

I will have to rewatch this part because there was something I didn't quite understand. I thought that Miriam said that she has told the police about Richard running over the boy AND that she has sent a letter to the Sheriff in addition to that. She even said something to the effect of "I am not sure why you haven't been arrested", which would make no sense if all she did was mail the letter earlier that day. I must have misheard. I had to watch this episode without subtitles and some of the dialogue was hard to make out. It's one of my pet peeves that modern sound editing in TV and Movies seems to be focused on blasting music as loud as possible while speech is barely audible.

One other thing that I see mentioned in various posts and that I seem to have missed. Was there anything in this episode to indicate that Diane is involved in some shady business other than the text message from part 9?