Part 10 - Laura is the one (SPOILERS)

[Jonah]

I'm still a bit confused about Andy's subplot and what it means. Can anyone explain or clarify? He met some guy who wouldn't talk to him and told him he'd meet him later but he never showed up. And Andy's wearing a rolex. Not sure how this connects to anything else?

I'm also not completely clear on where the Sheriff, Hawk, and Bobby are going? Into the woods? A place? And it somehow connects to the lodge, but how?

I think I need to rewatch some of these scenes, but I've been holding off on doing a rewatch for now as still rewatching the original series while this new one airs, and was waiting to see how it all ties together first.

Also, does anyone have any guesses when we might start seeing Audrey, more Laura, and some of the "big" scenes that were spoiled? Will all that stuff be at the very end?

[alreadygoneplaces]

Ok... drip feeding some more thoughts...

- Nice to see more threads being tied together, but probably my least favourite episode, tied with the premiere.

- I've been loving the development of the Dougie Cooper plot line but felt like it took a big step backwards this week. The sex scene was really cheap and creepy, I'm quite surprised something so crass would find its way in to this show.

- DICE. Not seen this mentioned yet, but there appear to be what looks like small sculptures of dice on both the desk of the casino guy who was beaten up by the Mitchum brothers and also on Lorraine's desk. Could Lorraine have been an employee of the Mitchum's, got to by the doppelgänger and/or Todd? The fact that the Mitchums had a hit out on Ike adds weight to this, if he killed three of their people in one of their buildings.

- Harry Dean Stanton <3

- the slow-panned shot on the door of miriam’s trailer after the murder echoes back to the similarly slow-panned shot of the dude who was supposed to meet andy. I'd already assumed that guy got murdered by Richard, and the use of this shot strengthens my assumption

- Starting to think it's Duncan Todd himself who owns the glass box, at the behest of the doppelgänger, who owns Duncan Todd

- So, I was wrong, and Diane is communicating with the doppelgänger. But I don't think for a minute that she's dirty, just being controlled. To anyone who judges her for her betrayal, you'd better hope you never get involved with someone like him, never have someone like him in your life. I think Diane wants to share with Gordon... "you and me need to have a talk" but isn't able to or doesn't yet know how to, and I think that's what Gordon picked up in the hug.

[mtwentz]

I'm still a bit confused about Andy's subplot and what it means. Can anyone explain or clarify? He met some guy who wouldn't talk to him and told him he'd meet him later but he never showed up. And Andy's wearing a rolex. Not sure how this connects to anything else?

I'm also not completely clear on where the Sheriff, Hawk, and Bobby are going? Into the woods? A place? And it somehow connects to the lodge, but how?

I think I need to rewatch some of these scenes, but I've been holding off on doing a rewatch for now as still rewatching the original series while this new one airs, and was waiting to see how it all ties together first.

Also, does anyone have any guesses when we might start seeing Audrey, more Laura, and some of the "big" scenes that were spoiled? Will all that stuff be at the very end?

I don't think anyone has any answers to your questions, but the guy who Andy was supposed to talk to is presumed to be either dead or in hiding.

[Ubermensch33]

I'm still a bit confused about Andy's subplot and what it means. Can anyone explain or clarify? He met some guy who wouldn't talk to him and told him he'd meet him later but he never showed up. And Andy's wearing a rolex. Not sure how this connects to anything else?

I'm also not completely clear on where the Sheriff, Hawk, and Bobby are going? Into the woods? A place? And it somehow connects to the lodge, but how?

I think I need to rewatch some of these scenes, but I've been holding off on doing a rewatch for now as still rewatching the original series while this new one airs, and was waiting to see how it all ties together first.

Also, does anyone have any guesses when we might start seeing Audrey, more Laura, and some of the "big" scenes that were spoiled? Will all that stuff be at the very end?

I haven't re-watched much either, but I took Andy's Rolex to be a sign of some slight corruption, evidence of which is just furthered by the fact that he's trying to have a "secret" meeting with this guy. But who knows. I could be completely wrong, and Andy and Lucy had some kind of windfall and they blew it on watches.

I don't think we know exactly where Truman, Hawk and Bobby are going. I think Bobby is the only one that knows right now what Jack Rabbit's Palace is (it IS about the bunny, though!). Could be the White Lodge. Could be something completely different. This is David Lynch.

[Jonah]

I'm still a bit confused about Andy's subplot and what it means. Can anyone explain or clarify? He met some guy who wouldn't talk to him and told him he'd meet him later but he never showed up. And Andy's wearing a rolex. Not sure how this connects to anything else?

I'm also not completely clear on where the Sheriff, Hawk, and Bobby are going? Into the woods? A place? And it somehow connects to the lodge, but how?

I think I need to rewatch some of these scenes, but I've been holding off on doing a rewatch for now as still rewatching the original series while this new one airs, and was waiting to see how it all ties together first.

Also, does anyone have any guesses when we might start seeing Audrey, more Laura, and some of the "big" scenes that were spoiled? Will all that stuff be at the very end?

I don't think anyone has any answers to your questions, but the guy who Andy was supposed to talk to is presumed to be either dead or in hiding.

Oh okay. I thought it was just me not following along.

[Ubermensch33]

BTW, so many red shoes in this episode....

[djsunyc]

i think bobby is going to figure into the ending big time - like he may end up being THE hero or THE villian.

[Jonah]

I'm still a bit confused about Andy's subplot and what it means. Can anyone explain or clarify? He met some guy who wouldn't talk to him and told him he'd meet him later but he never showed up. And Andy's wearing a rolex. Not sure how this connects to anything else?

I'm also not completely clear on where the Sheriff, Hawk, and Bobby are going? Into the woods? A place? And it somehow connects to the lodge, but how?

I think I need to rewatch some of these scenes, but I've been holding off on doing a rewatch for now as still rewatching the original series while this new one airs, and was waiting to see how it all ties together first.

Also, does anyone have any guesses when we might start seeing Audrey, more Laura, and some of the "big" scenes that were spoiled? Will all that stuff be at the very end?

I haven't re-watched much either, but I took Andy's Rolex to be a sign of some slight corruption, evidence of which is just furthered by the fact that he's trying to have a "secret" meeting with this guy. But who knows. I could be completely wrong, and Andy and Lucy had some kind of windfall and they blew it on watches.

I don't think we know exactly where Truman, Hawk and Bobby are going. I think Bobby is the only one that knows right now what Jack Rabbit's Palace is (it IS about the bunny, though!). Could be the White Lodge. Could be something completely different. This is David Lynch.

If it's not the lodge, it would be great if it was the old One Eyed Jack's set!

Is the truck Richard Horne used somehow connected to Andy and that guy or did I misread something on one of these threads?

I'm also finding it hard to keep track of some of these names - Hutch? Duncan?

[Jonah]

Allegedly, Piper Laurie missed the chance to film a scene in the new series because she wasn't waiting by the phone and on the day Lynch wanted to shoot, she was unavailable or something. Maybe the same thing happened with Bauer?

Really surprised to hear this. I had heard she had said that DKL and MF couldn't find a role for her in this series and maybe because it was too dark for her character. Is there a link to where she says this?

I remember Harry Goaz saying that Sherilyn was selfish, or something. It was something to do with how she supposedly kickied off and refused to sign on for the new Peaks, and by the time she signed and was ready to do the scenes, Bauer was then unavailable.

I had heard something about this. Is there a link to his comments anywhere? Google isn't helping!

[alreadygoneplaces]

I'm still a bit confused about Andy's subplot and what it means. Can anyone explain or clarify? He met some guy who wouldn't talk to him and told him he'd meet him later but he never showed up. And Andy's wearing a rolex. Not sure how this connects to anything else?

I'm also not completely clear on where the Sheriff, Hawk, and Bobby are going? Into the woods? A place? And it somehow connects to the lodge, but how?

I think I need to rewatch some of these scenes, but I've been holding off on doing a rewatch for now as still rewatching the original series while this new one airs, and was waiting to see how it all ties together first.

Also, does anyone have any guesses when we might start seeing Audrey, more Laura, and some of the "big" scenes that were spoiled? Will all that stuff be at the very end?

Of those questions, I think the only one I think we're supposed to know yet is the first one. Andy visits the owner of the truck that hit the kid, the guy he interviews is terrified and anxious, and he's checking his watch- it's clear he's about to be visited by someone dangerous (we can assume Richard or someone else involved) and that there would be repercussions if he's seen talking to the cops. Andy seems to pick up on this and agrees to meet him somewhere private, but doesn't stake out the property. As Andy leaves, we can see a white car that slows down- whoever was driving would have seen the police car. Then when the guy doesn't show up to meet Andy, we're shown a slow panning shot of the guy's open front door set to an ominous drone (a very similar shot to what we were shown after Richard attacked Miriam in E10). Looks like that guy is toast. As for Andy's Rolex, it stuck out as odd for me at first, but on further thought, it seems like the kind of prestige special gift Lucy would buy him (..."he never washes his car, and he doesn't even own a sports coat!")...

[Ubermensch33]

I'm still a bit confused about Andy's subplot and what it means. Can anyone explain or clarify? He met some guy who wouldn't talk to him and told him he'd meet him later but he never showed up. And Andy's wearing a rolex. Not sure how this connects to anything else?

I'm also not completely clear on where the Sheriff, Hawk, and Bobby are going? Into the woods? A place? And it somehow connects to the lodge, but how?

I think I need to rewatch some of these scenes, but I've been holding off on doing a rewatch for now as still rewatching the original series while this new one airs, and was waiting to see how it all ties together first.

Also, does anyone have any guesses when we might start seeing Audrey, more Laura, and some of the "big" scenes that were spoiled? Will all that stuff be at the very end?

I haven't re-watched much either, but I took Andy's Rolex to be a sign of some slight corruption, evidence of which is just furthered by the fact that he's trying to have a "secret" meeting with this guy. But who knows. I could be completely wrong, and Andy and Lucy had some kind of windfall and they blew it on watches.

I don't think we know exactly where Truman, Hawk and Bobby are going. I think Bobby is the only one that knows right now what Jack Rabbit's Palace is (it IS about the bunny, though!). Could be the White Lodge. Could be something completely different. This is David Lynch.

If it's not the lodge, it would be great if it was the old One Eyed Jack's set!

Is the truck Richard Horne used somehow connected to Andy and that guy or did I misread something on one of these threads?

I'm also finding it hard to keep track of some of these names - Hutch? Duncan?

Yeah Jack's would be great. Would love to see that spinning roulette wheel again.

Yeah the truck Richard was driving was sitting in the yard of that guy Andy went to "investigate." In fact, I think he is the owner of the truck (Andy says "it's YOUR truck..."). The fact that he gave him the leeway of meeting him later on implies to me that there's something not entirely on the up-and-up with Andy these days. Or it could simply be good ole trusting Andy. Who knows.

Also I now remember there's a scene in that episode where we pan back to the guy's house, and the door is ajar with him nowhere to be found. As we've now seen what Richard Horne does to people who may cross him, it seems like the guy was probably "taken care of" and that's maybe why he didn't meet Andy.

[Jonah]

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Ok. This is all making more sense now. At first I wasn't sure if it was something nefarious Andy was caught up in or if it was related to the truck. Having read these comments, I think it's probably just the truck. Not a separate subplot involving Andy being crooked (although not ruling that out either). I think it's all tied to the Richard Horne thing. Makes sense. Thanks guys.

[yaxomoxay]

Do you guys think that it was Laura moving outside the door that caused this "glitch"? You can see it moving from the door, past Tammy (not in the gif which focuses only on the door):

https://media.giphy.com/media/3o7btRSDS ... /giphy.gif


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[Cipher]

*one hell of a post*

Thank you for the incredibly thorough response! Thanks also for this:

As a woman, thank you for deferring to women's opinions on the matter Like all of the world, I've been inoculated against violence against women, and rewarded socially for accepting it, even while it helped shape my external fears, expectations and self-perception.

As someone who writes and has studied fiction, I try to be (or am involuntarily) sensitive to patterns of representation, but I don't want to overstep or speak for anyone if I'm not the affected demographic. So, thanks for the validation that this is at least worth discussing.

No, his motives don't matter. Even if we know Hitchcock was a sadist, we talk about the text through a historical and feminist lens. What a director says (usually insincerely or without total self-awareness) is irrelevant. He doesn't get the last word and didn't make his artistic decisions in a vacuum and that's for us to unpack.

Absolutely. We aren't talking about the motives of the director (it would be absurd to argue Lynch is actively sexist), but the impact of the work.

Has something been lost in translation when he switches from an intimate view of predation and violence (Fire Walk With Me, Inland Empire) to a more distanced pattern within a larger narrative? I don't know yet, but this hour of the show, and some of its earlier ones, has my ears perked up to the fact that it might have been. Is there something of a failure of imagination here with the roles female characters might play, or the ways darkness might be shown? Maybe; or it could all come together yet as part of the story's fascination with predation and Laura's in particular as a starting point.

For a quick thought experiment, imagine if nearly every black character in a larger work were used solely to show the impact of racism, to the point of three bleak instances of it in one hour. I'm not saying Peaks is there yet, but there is a point at which a work can move past a position of unflinchingly portraying a reality to one of being bleakly reductive.

That's worth discussing, as we don't yet have any hours past this tenth to discuss.

Too many viewers have long been viewing the Dougie scenes way too literally, like there's no room for surrealism or abstraction or a heightened satirical reality there (the amount of recaps that waste time wondering why nobody notices that something is seriously wrong with Dougie is just absurd to me). Janey absolutely views Dougie as somewhat normal, her husband of the past dozen years or so. Plus, it's a heightened reality that is doing many things at once (satirical, spiritual, purely comedic, emotional) and is not meant to be taken 100% literally, much like you don't take, oh, say, Anchorman 100% literally.

This is ultimately the ground on which the Dougie scene gets a pass from me. It's a little eyebrow-raising, but still works.

[Jonah]

Do you guys think that it was Laura moving outside the door that caused this "glitch"? You can see it moving from the door, past Tammy (not in the gif which focuses only on the door):

https://media.giphy.com/media/3o7btRSDS ... /giphy.gif


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I don't see anything....? But I thought the actress walked up that hallway in a very strange manner.