Part 10 - Laura is the one (SPOILERS)

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DeepBlueSeed wrote:
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wxray wrote:OK, we know Richard is not a cousin, or nephew. He is either Johnny or Audrey's son.

Someone up above was sure it was Audrey. Why? It could still be Johnny. I think the fact that Richard called Johnny a piece of shit or whatever means nothing, considering he called his grandmother the c-word. The guy is pure evil and doesn't give a crap about anything.

I still think his parentage is up for grabs.
In what possible scenario could Johnny Horne father a child?
That argument might've held more water in an episode that didn't feature Janey-E declaring her attraction to child-like DougieCoop, and dragging him to the bedroom.
But just days before, she would have been having normal conversations with this man. She believes he is just having a funny turn but is still 'there'. No one has ever had a normal adult conversation with Johnny Horne.
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I don't think Andy could be crooked and get away with it. I keep thinking about all the difficulty he had merely performing a sperm test during the original series -- if he was crooked, I don't think he could do it successfully for very long.

His nice watch was a little jarring though, but it might just be that he owns a nice watch.
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yaxomoxay wrote:
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yaxomoxay wrote:So, did Chad get the wrong letter?


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Pretty sure Chad got the right letter. What makes you think he didn't?
Sender's name on the letter is Miriam Hodges.
Miriam's last name is Sullivan.


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How do you know that? Is that in the closing credits? Man, I'm tired of them giving away names of characters in the closing credits that they don't bother to tell us on the show.

Well, if you what you say is true, that totally slipped past me. Seems very weird another letter for Sheriff Truman from someone named "Miriam" would arrive on the same day.
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GoodMorningAmerica wrote:The reactions to this show are almost as fascinating as the show itself.

So we're supposed to object to the depictions of violence against women (which are clearly central to the GREAT EVIL in the universe we're all supposed to be rooting against), and we're also supposed to object to Janey-E being sexually attracted to her husband? That reminds me, are we still supposed to hate Tammy? How about Doris? Wait...isn't Laura the one? Who? Who is this Laura person anyway?

In all seriousness, I thought this Part was phenomenal. Phenomenal. Easily my favorite of the Retun so far, and maybe of the entire series. But what do I know, I'm just a woman.

Also, I have a HUGE soft spot for Harry Dean Stanton's singing.
I agree with most of this - but i still hate Tammy :lol:
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alreadygoneplaces wrote: My wild prediction is here is that it's the Heinrich Viegel that is mentioned on the website as an occasional contributor, and that it is this Viegel (working for the doppelgänger) that led Hastings and Davenport to be able to enter whatever place it is they entered to 'meet the Major'. I said last week I was wary of the Hastings plot line, not least because I found it hard to believe someone like him could have found his way there in the first place. But if he was only ever a pawn in the whole thing, effectively sent there by proxy, that could make me start liking it again.
Not wild at all. Good prediction.
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Soolsma wrote:Nah... Albert is a good guy.. I find some of Gordon and Albert's interaction akin to Coop and Harry's; a true bond of trust and companionship. Gordon has a very strong intuition, he noticed something was up with DoppelCoop and felt something in Diane's hug, not to mention he envisioned Laura(!). I don't think he misjudged Albert.

Just because Diane seems to be having a double agenda does not mean it's because she is just simply evil and deceitful. I think things are a little more complicated than that. DoppelCoop may have some weight on her.

Also, Albert volunteered his wrongdoing to Cole whereas Diane has yet to mention it.
Yes! Albert overstepped his authority, maybe, but he came clean about it. I don't see is actions as evil. Diane we don't know about yet.
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opium wrote:
blue_tomorrows wrote:Wow, so this was the extra-special "extreme violence against women" episode? Maybe I was just in the wrong mood, but I have to confess that I had a pretty strong gag reflex to almost everything this week. This is the first time I've felt like walking away and not looking back. :(
This is pretty much the whole of The Return. Just about every Part or every other Part either implies or has violence against women in it.

I'm thinking it's thematically intentional. I'm also thinking that it's reckless and distasteful considering we only have eight episodes left and we're still being slow dripped -- meaning not everything is going to pay off.

Of course I could be wrong... but so far I gotta say it's not looking good.
Bring back the Hays Code & apply it to Television, we need to censor the violence from Twin Peaks
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ScarFace32 wrote:Bring back the Hays Code & apply it to Television, we need to censor the violence from Twin Peaks
What an absurd reduction of reactions multiple people have gone through great lengths to clarify at this point.
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sewhite2000 wrote:
yaxomoxay wrote:
sewhite2000 wrote:
Pretty sure Chad got the right letter. What makes you think he didn't?
Sender's name on the letter is Miriam Hodges.
Miriam's last name is Sullivan.


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How do you know that? Is that in the closing credits? Man, I'm tired of them giving away names of characters in the closing credits that they don't bother to tell us on the show.

Well, if you what you say is true, that totally slipped past me. Seems very weird another letter for Sheriff Truman from someone named "Miriam" would arrive on the same day.
Yep it's in the closing credits.
I don't have SHO available now, when does Miriam sends the letter?



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mtwentz wrote:
What did you think of the Candy scenes?
I felt like Candie knows more than she's letting on. If she was initially shown over a considerable lengthy depiction of trying to swat a fly; then shown overreacting in tears to the point of excess, then that was the last we'd see of her: I'd just write it off as another Lynch-type device of absurdity.

Because she's revisited though, I kept paying attention and will need to re-watch, but.. Her languid disinterest in being dispatched to go in the casino and retrieve Mr. Insurance dude [Anthony], in contrast with earlier in shambles over having smacked Mitchum. Then, as we watch along with Brothers Mitchum on the security camera, she's pointing all around as she talks w/ Anthony instead of bringing him back as instructed.
My first thought was she's having visions of the same little floating mini-redroom image that DougieCoop saw and followd to various slot machines? Then I wondered if she was just recounting the incident for Anthony although I'm not sure why or how the subject would've come up. I'm 99% sure that she was *not* with those gestures and her pointing around the room, "talking about weather" or "version layer."

The constant presence of the three "-andies" with the Mitchums everywhere they go, is really strange.
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bosguy1981 wrote: Allegedly, Piper Laurie missed the chance to film a scene in the new series because she wasn't waiting by the phone and on the day Lynch wanted to shoot, she was unavailable or something. Maybe the same thing happened with Bauer?
Really surprised to hear this. I had heard she had said that DKL and MF couldn't find a role for her in this series and maybe because it was too dark for her character. Is there a link to where she says this?
Piper didn't say it publicly, but I believe in one of these threads on this forum, some people "in the know" claimed that was what happened. I don't know what thread but it had to be on here that I read it. I know it doesn't jive with what Piper had said in another interview about not being invited back at all.

It also occurred to me maybe Piper is coming back (but secretly, Tojamura-style, perhaps not even playing Catherine) and that people in the production were doing their part to help hide her surprise cameo by claiming there was a scheduling problem or something. (Like, "No, trust us, it didn't work out, she's not in it!"). Haven't heard much about it since that.
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Wonderful & Strange wrote:
Esselgee wrote:Maybe someone with access to Johnny had sex with him so she could get her hands on the Hornes' money.

The guy in the New York picture with Evil Cooper is a bald man with glasses wearing a trench coat. Can anyone identify him?
Looks like we have a mad scientist in Twin Peaks finally!
The first time I saw 'the box' it reminders me of the electricity expirements of Nicola Tesla. Then there also was e reference to Tesla on the Hastings blog.

In real life Tesla has died a long time ago, but who knows :)
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Cipher wrote: Has something been lost in translation when he switches from an intimate view of predation and violence (Fire Walk With Me, Inland Empire) to a more distanced pattern within a larger narrative? I don't know yet, but this hour of the show, and some of its earlier ones, has my ears perked up to the fact that it might have been. Is there something of a failure of imagination here with the roles female characters might play, or the ways darkness might be shown? Maybe; or it could all come together yet as part of the story's fascination with predation and Laura's in particular as a starting point.

For a quick thought experiment, imagine if nearly every black character in a larger work were used solely to show the impact of racism, to the point of three bleak instances of it in one hour. I'm not saying Peaks is there at this point, but there is a point at which a work can move past the point of unflinchingly portraying a reality to one of being bleakly reductive.
This is very well said. I don't have anything to add to this -- but this line of thinking will be in my mind when watching upcoming episodes of Peaks.
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Sometimes a watch is just a watch, and sometimes Moby is just Moby...
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Methedrome wrote:Sometimes a watch is just a watch, and sometimes Moby is just Moby...
And sometimes Moby is just a watch, and a watch is just Moby.
This is David Lynch's universe, after all.


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