Part 10 - Laura is the one (SPOILERS)

[wAtChLaR]

So that picture of BadCoop and...someone else...at the glass box in NYC...

I think it actually may be Bowie. Of course we know he was sick (and if he filmed his scenes at the very beginning, he might have appeared this way due to chemo), but I'm still not quite sure. If it is him, interesting choice to reintroduce Jeffries this way.

Also re: Piper Laurie--that interview she gave to EW screamed smokescreen to me, honestly. "I don't know why I wasn't asked back. I won the acting awards during the first two seasons!" Calling it now: her (and Joan Chen) will show up.

AND i don't believe Heather Graham will not show up

[TheAlien]

miriam. the girl who stoped by the dinner and saw richard drive over the little kid. i think she was breathing. maybe she wont die

I had my suspicions, thanks. Damn that's cruel

Ya, the lines about her phoning the police to tell them she saw Richard hit the kid...and the lines about her mailing a letter to the police wasn't enough to resolve your susupicions? Ay carumba...

I just wasn't alert this week watching it, I'm rewatching it today though

[lotjx2]

Ok, I didn't want to get into the violence against women or this entire discussion about male rape. Yet, this entire thread seems to be devoted to that. Listen, violence against women being a trope that needs to go away is fine when women stop being violated or racism is erased or we all make the same amount of money. So, people writing about it or discussing can go away when that day happens ie never. I don't care what critics say about this. For someone out there right now, they may see a scene like that and something clicks. I have heard a bunch of times from viewers. An episode or a scene hits them with a realization that this is happening to them or a friend or a family member. I trust Lynch with this subject matter than I do most people. It also makes a ton of sense that this is happening between two characters that seem totally lost without drugs in their life.

Does Jane-E rape Dale. I have no idea. I think I have stated like three times I hate all this Vegas stuff. We can maybe add this to the list, but really with all the stupid in this storyline, it barely hits my radar. We don't know the conversation prior to them having sex as Dale seems really happy about all of this. So, I am ok with it. I am just not ok with Dale going to Dr. Phlox and coming out with a fit bill of health as the man has physically changed as well as mental not being there. That scene disturbed more than anything else. I can't wait to leave Las Vegas.

[baxter]

Wow- loads of discussion already on an episode that for me was a bit of a slow burner. Not bad, not outrageously good by recent standards, just a normal episode that fills in some details before the next set of big reveals.

I really hope that the next episode is the one where they all converge on the coordinate location, and/or the Mitchum brothers confront Dougie. My feeling is still that Cooper either can't wake up at all, or there is a step change when EvilCoop reenters the lodge. Nothing else would make any sense to me based on the apparent rules of the show (which of course I have probably misunderstood).

Lots to like in this episode. The sex scene was amazing, even though the joke is sort of obvious. It wasn't just played for laughs- there was a real emotional payoff. It really reminded me of the outstanding sex scene in You The Living, in which an old man is trying to tell his partner about his pension problems, but she is ignoring him and concentrating on her own gratification. This wasn't anywhere near as cruel.

Loved Laura outside the corridor, loved the Gordon sketch, and to my surprise I really, really loved the Mitchum brothers. Their mannerisms at the table when talking about setting up a meeting with DOugie made me laugh out loud several times. It's the ideal combination of ham and grit, and the tone is perfect.

I'm resigned to Cooper only returning late in the day (if at all), but think of it this way. When S2 ended, imagine that they told you that a film was coming out that was actually a sequel and would wrap things up nicely. You'd have been ecstatic, and that would have involved only 2 more hours of Cooper. So what we're getting here is great even if he only wakes up with 2 parts left.

[wAtChLaR]

Ok, I didn't want to get into the violence against women or this entire discussion about male rape. Yet, this entire thread seems to be devoted to that. Listen, violence against women being a trope that needs to go away is fine when women stop being violated or racism is erased or we all make the same amount of money. So, people writing about it or discussing can go away when that day happens ie never. I don't care what critics say about this. For someone out there right now, they may see a scene like that and something clicks. I have heard a bunch of times from viewers. An episode or a scene hits them with a realization that this is happening to them or a friend or a family member. I trust Lynch with this subject matter than I do most people. It also makes a ton of sense that this is happening between two characters that seem totally lost without drugs in their life.

Does Jane-E rape Dale. I have no idea. I think I have stated like three times I hate all this Vegas stuff. We can maybe add this to the list, but really with all the stupid in this storyline, it barely hits my radar. We don't know the conversation prior to them having sex as Dale seems really happy about all of this. So, I am ok with it. I am just not ok with Dale going to Dr. Phlox and coming out with a fit bill of health as the man has physically changed as well as mental not being there. That scene disturbed more than anything else. I can't wait to leave Las Vegas.

leaving las vegas is always a good thing
and yes...violence against women and systemic racism is alive and well in America

[Hester Prynne]

i actually like the discussions re: blatant misogyny vs. a reflection of a real sexist society... GOOD art is always thought provoking and challenging

I ended up DVRing GOT last night and still haven't watched it because I've been too enthralled catching up on this thread!

There have been some incredibly thoughtful posts today. I've enjoyed reading all of them and appreciate the time it took for people to post them.

[BigEd]

Just rewatched:

Funniest line so far in the entire series: Brad Mitchum (Belushi) "You f*ck us once, shame on us; you f*ck us twice, shame on you" The delivery was outstanding!

Also confirmed my earlier question/post: When Laura was at Gordon's door, a female voice said "Laura" and it was credited in the subtitle as [Sarah}. So Laura's mom is shouting "Laura" when her ghostly image shows up outside Gordon's hotel room door. Let the discussion begin.

[BigEd]

i truly don't understand why we have to hide these posts under the spoiler tag
this is what the series is presenting..it is up for discussion in my mind
why the discomfort or aversion from doing just that

It's neither discomfort nor aversion. It's annoyance and distraction. Please take these off-topic posts to a new thread or a forum more suitable for societal discussions. This thread is intended to discuss what actually happened in part 10 of Twin Peaks the Return. Trying to analyze and critique what is wrong with our society really distracts from the discussion.

[Hester Prynne]

Is Candie just fucking with the Mitchum boys? Or maybe she was in the car with Dougie when he had the accident?

Yeah - I had a pretty strong reaction to Candy last night

I've enjoyed the ideas that she's a more layered character - I think Counterpaul mentioned something about "subliminal rage," and others have floated the idea that her behavior is deliberate just to irritate the Mitchum boys, which I like. I still have the same feelings about her character I did after watching last night, but I'll be watching like everyone else to see where it goes.

I am hoping maybe DKL is pulling one over on us. It would be a hoot if Candy is actually undercover and ends up thwarting the plans to take out Dougie-Coop, but that's a wild theory.

[dud]

Can anyone explain the Jones/Jones reference that Brad makes? The non-TP one, that is.

I took it to mean they didn't know much about this guy who had come in and won a ton of $$$ in their casino, so he was essentially "Mr. Jones" to them. Lo and behold, "Mr. Jones" in fact turned out to be Mr. (Dougie) Jones.

I think it was actually that during their first encounter with him at the casino they assumed "Dougie Jones" was a fake name he used to hide his identity (it sounds like a fake name), then later to their surprise they found out that it is in fact his real name

[cgs027]

Can anyone explain the Jones/Jones reference that Brad makes? The non-TP one, that is.

I took it to mean they didn't know much about this guy who had come in and won a ton of $$$ in their casino, so he was essentially "Mr. Jones" to them. Lo and behold, "Mr. Jones" in fact turned out to be Mr. (Dougie) Jones.

I think it was actually that during their first encounter with him at the casino they assumed "Dougie Jones" was a fake name he used to hide his identity (it sounds like a fake name), then later to their surprise they found out that it is in fact his real name

I'd have to go back and watch, but I thought he was just referring to himself as Mr. Jackpots at this early point. The only person who referred to him as Dougie Jones was his hot dog eating buddy, but I don't think he referred to himself as Mr. Jones at all. He just recalled that his house had a red door when he was getting a lift home. The Mitchum brothers even refer to him as Mr. Jackpots once they pause the TV.

[tresojos]

is it wrong i find richard kinda hot

[ryanmj1993]

I'm so upset we only have 8 episodes left. I truly don't see how this is going to wrap up in 8 episodes especially at the pace it's moving at
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[Agent Sam Stanley]

and this won't be popular, but i could really care less if audrey ended up in the recycle bin....sherilyn's behavior over this entire series, plus her constant proselytizing on instagram and twitter is a big fat YAWN...she's not quite in the same basket as Michael J Anderson for me...but CLOSE

[Snailhead]

i truly don't understand why we have to hide these posts under the spoiler tag
this is what the series is presenting..it is up for discussion in my mind
why the discomfort or aversion from doing just that

It's neither discomfort nor aversion. It's annoyance and distraction. Please take these off-topic posts to a new thread or a forum more suitable for societal discussions. This thread is intended to discuss what actually happened in part 10 of Twin Peaks the Return. Trying to analyze and critique what is wrong with our society really distracts from the discussion.

I firmly disagree. The discussions have always directly related to what we are seeing in the episode. As long as it's connecting to Part 10 and the images/ideas present in it, fair game! There's always stuff I find less interesting, such as analysis of numbers in Lynch's work, but I'm OK with that being important for others to discuss and I will scroll down.

As for Part 10, I will say that oddly enough, it has felt the most Lynchian / Twin Peaks-esque to me - there has been a lot of tension building that felt released, to a certain extent. Maybe I was just pleased to have less of the procedural stuff (which is wonderful too, but Part 9 had so much of it). Opening up with the murder of Miriam and then following it up with the Carl Rodd / Becky / Steven scene is such an incredible one-two punch. Lots of the criticism of the new series I have understood, while usually not agreeing, however reading here and there that people found this particular episode boring astonishes me!

Did anyone else think Rebekah Del Rio was Sherilyn Fenn the first time round? I did for about 5 seconds.