Part 10 - Laura is the one (SPOILERS)

[mtwentz]

The front end of Richard Horne's Saturn. Electricity.

Good catch! Could he be directly born of BOB's fire

[Jasper]

Watching a woman chase a fly around a room for 3 minutes? Just to do a tired and overused gag that's been around forever? How exciting will that be on a second viewing? Wasted time.

Well, I actually rewatched the entire episode, and (eye)Candie chasing the fly and whacking Mitchum was certainly enjoyable (if not "exciting") the second time.

great Lynchian slapstick, and Candie outlucied Lucy.

My personal favorite was Candie's hand/arm motions on the floor of the casino. It was like she was communing with some sort of unseen forces. It also sort of reminded me of the way that Gerard was waving his arm about the lodge trying to contact Dougie-Coop.

Is Candie so spaced out that she's actually interacting with another dimension? I'm only half-kidding.

[Meaxylon]

The front end of Richard Horne's Saturn. Electricity.

I feel stupid now, but I don't get it? Please explain to someone who knows nothing about cars...?

[h2nho]

The front end of Richard Horne's Saturn. Electricity.

I feel stupid now, but I don't get it? Please explain to someone who knows nothing about cars...?

The front of the car looks like a plug. Electricity for sure.

[Jerry Horne]

Right, so Richard drives a "Saturn" with a handy electrical plug looking device on the front. Wasn't the Log Lady also talking about planets and electricity in this episode?

[Meaxylon]

Thanks! I didn't see it as a plug - electricity outlets and plugs look a bit different in my part of the world! (Even though we've obviously seen sockets before in the show I didn't make the connection) Thanks for the illustration, also

[KyleRickards]

I think that's been the assumption, yes. That said, this is a very broad story with an ensemble cast, and as various disparate elements begin to converge, it's possible that regular will Cooper have more and more screen time, so it's not necessarily true that there will be more Dougie-Coop, especially when we factor in Cooper appearing a lot in episodes two and three. Personally, I'm enjoying both Dougie-Coop and the resultant Dougie-Coop angst.

Copper did say nothing in episodes two and three, c'mon. And, in number of episodes, Dougie will have more. In 10 episodes, more tha half of the total, we did get nothing of the old Cooper. Not his manners, or his insights, or the clever talking. Nothing of the things we love about the carachter. I'm justing poitinig that, yes, it's still a good show and all, but perhaps Lynch it's beeing a little over the top with his "I'm not gonna give what the public want".

And he seems so close to snapping through, honestly.

I don't think I'll be upset if, minute by minute, it adds up to more Dougie-Dale than Awake Dale. I will be upset if this awakening isn't worth this buildup. I mean, we've passed some pretty good opportunities with the coffee, and the assassination attempt and the sex. There's not much left for a truly satisfying wake up. (He still has to witness a tragedy, or help a person in true need.) And I will be pretty unhappy if the main villain, Doppelcoop, needs to be dispatched BEFORE we get Cooper to wake up. Because that means it'll be one of the last things we get, and we won't get to see Cooper truly confront the Dweller on the Threshold. Because Cooper was his full self when he saw his shadowself in the Black Lodge, and he lost. I really feel there needs to be a rematch. Not necessarily a ridiculous CGI fistfight or what have you... but a confrontation where Dale manages to conquer his shadowself through the strength of his own mind, heart, and sense of self. I'm good with even a verbal confrontation that ends with a cliche "You have no power or me" or "I accept you" but I need to see Real Dale SUCCEED against his doppelganger, not be freed when the thing is finally defeated.

If DougieCoop had awoken in part 4, we wouldn't have had some of the marvellous scenes so far. Also, how would the plot have unfolded from that point on?

I'm just treating the whole thing like an enjoyable book...


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[Framed_Angel]

The front end of Richard Horne's Saturn. Electricity.

Good catch! Could he be directly born of BOB's fire

Not to mention... a Saturn?
!

[Jerry Horne]

During the Johnny/Teddy Bear scene, it seems to me the table and chairs are moving. I doesn't seem to be connected to the camera movement. Anyone else notice this or do I need to switch to decaf?

[Esselgee]

One thing I'd like to see before this season is over is someone getting arrested by the TP sheriff's department. Hopefully either Richard Horne, Steven, or even Chad. Harry Truman was always the best at arresting someone though.

[wxray]

Really stupid idea... When Duncan Todd said "tell 'her' she has the job," we assumed it was the now deceased Lorraine. Is there any chance 'she' is Candie? Is Canie pulling a fast one over on the mobsters? She'd be a perfect mole. The mobsters are Todd's enemy, as he said so.

[mtwentz]

Really stupid idea... When Duncan Todd said "tell 'her' she has the job," we assumed it was the now deceased Lorraine. Is there any chance 'she' is Candie? Is Canie pulling a fast one over on the mobsters? She'd be a perfect mole. The mobsters are Todd's enemy, as he said so.

I don't think so because whatever Todd was doing was at the behest (presumably) of Doppelcoop.

[Mr. Strawberry]

Since I still haven't said it, I just wanted to drop a note that this is the best show I've ever seen. Other television productions have been entertaining, but for me anyway, aside from The Prisoner none have even approached this level of emotional intensity or depth. And no matter how much we may love or hate what's happening, I'll never get over the fact that it even exists at all. I mean, come on, who thought that Twin Peaks would ever come back? Especially after all these years? We're so lucky to have a resolution to the story in this return and every week I can hardly wait for the next chapter, and the inevitable discussion that takes place here afterward.

I'll always remember the section where Cole slowly and painstakingly explains the 'yrev very good to see you' line for the audience.

What?! I thought that he was just making an excuse to get his hands on Tammy!

Anyway, I missed the "yrev" during the interrogation, so having Cole spell it out was actually helpful.

He came out of the Lodge with his Great Northern room key. Physically this is Cooper.

Well, I will admit that part of me is simply having a little fun with the idea, but I'm also basing this theory off of an old gut feeling combined with the fact that Lynch in particular never fails to surprise us with game changing revelations that completely upend everything we thought we knew.

We've seen that one essentially disappears when entering the Black Lodge to return upon exit. So when Cooper's shadow self exited the lodge, he was taking Cooper's place essentially, including his mind, his memories, and basically everything else that defined him. It seemed that Cooper's heart and soul were separated from the rest and left behind, so that the man everyone has been referring to as "The Doppelganger" is actually Dale Cooper, though without his "heart", and with a few (recently improvised) identifying physical changes such as his irises and ring fingers being different.

It's definitely sad to see it this way, but it's not a stretch. He has the memories and the body of Dale Cooper so it's kind of hard to see him as a Doppelganger. Isn't the person we've been calling Dougie the actual Doppelganger here? After all, he's a clone of the original Dale, carrying Dale's soul but otherwise a blank slate. We've been led to see one as a mere double and the other as the real Coop when in fact that would be the opposite of this tragic state of affairs: Cooper is missing his heart and he's an emotionless shadow of his former self, meanwhile his soul is lost and helpless, inhabiting a replicated body.

Everyone is waiting for Dougie to wake up, but I don't think that's ever going to happen. Expecting that is a contradiction because there's nothing to wake up to: He doesn't have his memories, so he can't ever know who he was. He's just a Doppelganger. The real Dale Cooper would need his soul back in order for there to be any sort of return. Otherwise, though Dougie can form new memories and a new life -- and with Cooper's soul he would turn out to be a very good person -- he wouldn't be the same ol' Coop we knew. He'd be a new Coop.

There is one chance out between two worlds, perhaps: If Dale and Dougie both returned to the Lodge, would this present the opportunity for good ol' Coop to finally confront his shadow self? He seemed to have it together before he exited through the socket. But outside of that realm, I don't see how it would be possible for him to enact any sort of meaningful confrontation like that, given his complete lack of identity.

All of the above is speculation based mostly on gut feeling, but considering the material and how significantly the sense of intuition has been portrayed here, I wouldn't put it past Lynch & Frost to expect us to rely on our own intuition above all else as we explore this confusing series of events.

I had a thought. Maybe she's known for a while Doppelcoop is an imposter, but believes he has Good Dale captive somewhere where he can HURT him. Exactly when and how she got convinced of this I don't have a guess for... but its a possibility that would lead to her passing him info without being evil.

Very plausible. She knows about Blue Rose cases so even if she doesn't have all the details, I think meeting a Cooper that seems completely unlike himself is more than enough for her to start putting the pieces together. As Cole observed, she's a "tough cookie", and I'd be very concerned if she had it out for me.

It was said everyone loves Steven or something, and from what we've seen he at least appears to pretend to be a nice guy. Richard appears to be hated by everyone, robs his grandmother and kills 3 people. Steven threw a coffee cup, screamed and dropped boogers on his wife. Are they really so similar?

Stephen is just a mess, that's all. He's obviously very unhappy and insecure, doesn't really have a purpose in life, is making everything worse with drugs, and is probably terrified at losing Becky though his behavior is as backfiring as ever.

Richard is nothing like this guy. He's a weakling in his own way, but how he deals with his sense of incompletion and insignificance is cold and cruel. He's become a monster.

Watching a woman chase a fly around a room for 3 minutes? Just to do a tired and overused gag that's been around forever? How exciting will that be on a second viewing?

Watching that mesmerizingly beautiful and tragically mysterious woman literally hunt the poor fly down, in a scene that plays like choreography on Valium, leading to her smacking a controlling asshole across his detestably mean mug, with a television remote control no less! (hello subtle message), is going to be extremely engaging and rewarding viewing every single time.

Justification of statement:

1) It is acceptable to appreciate the sight of an attractive person.
2) Violence cannot be condoned unless it is a last resort of the subjugated.

a) Candie may or may not have intentionally smacked him.
b) If she did so surreptitiously, it can be justified as her only means of sneakily fighting back without being killed for it.

Welcome to the party, pal! Mr. Strawberry, I love your point of view, Thank you sir!

Thanks a million Deep Thought. That really means a lot to me. I've followed this forum every day since joining, and can't get enough of all the discussion and speculation. I've read every single post in every topic related to Season 3 and I'm slowly making my way through the Season 1, Season 2 and Fire Walk With Me topics.

Everyone here has so much to offer and it's really cool noting how differently we all approach the material -- how differently we all think. It's so evident that each of us has a totally personal and exclusive way of seeing things and experiencing the show, and the interpretations and feelings everyone has been sharing here are amazingly insightful and unique. I'm stunned by some of the analysis and creative conjecture. It forces me to realize that I'm a peon failing to see a lot of this beneath a basic surface level until hearing thoughts on what's happening from all of you, but it is so refreshing to read! It's as though we all have pieces of the puzzle and only by coming together for discussion can the whole picture be seen.

I've been enjoying your posts too, so thanks for sharing with us.

Just as a quick response to this (since I had a notification about it), the post you were quoting wasn't offering any actual commentary on The Return's use of race: I was just using that as a hypothetical to help illustrate the reservations I had about the gender portrayal, using an example I thought most people would find a bit more visible/immediately obvious.

Totally. I was sort of blanket responding anyway, since there had been a handful of people unhappy with the how the actress was casted. It seemed like a relevant place to address all of that since I've lagged on doing so up until now.

[HagbardCeline]

I'm wondering if this mysterious Chinese designer powder that is going through Twin Peaks is lodge-related. Maybe Stephen was a likeable con, in the mode of an Eddie Haskell, where he was clever and witty and made sure that people only saw that side of him. This drug that they are all using seems to have bigger peaks and valleys than regular narcotics, causing more and more violent swings of behavior. The two of them are at the point in their drug use where neither of them can make a living but they are starting to have withdrawals. I can't tell if Richard is a user of the drug or only a dealer, he may be just plain evil to begin with. (I tend to be in the camp where he's the result of EvilCoop raping Audrey while she was in a coma). 1990s hospitals weren't as "wired" as they are now. A ward with comatose patients would likely not even have had security cameras).

I do think that the "police procedural" branch of the plot in Twin Peaks seems to be stretching the bounds of credulity. It would have been a nice balance to the esoteric events of the show if the Twin Peaks plotlines/police investigations were more linear and moved at a more logical pace. I think each plot line was probably filmed chronologically, separately, and then they cut/paste/re-arranged things a LOT in order to blend them into a single narrative. I'm not sure if the pasting has been entirely successful.

[Taperecorder]

Ok, we can we just admit that this Vegas shit sucks. I mean come on. Its a waste of my time, your time and the cast time with stupid Dougie and the mob.

Please speak for yourself. I am loving the Vegas stuff. There has been some amazing acting by Jim Belushi and Robert Knepper.