Part 11 - There's fire where you are going (SPOILERS)

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Re: Part 11 - There's fire where you are going (SPOILERS)

Postby WindyTrees » Sun Jul 23, 2017 9:06 pm

IAmHappeningAgain wrote:What did DougieCoop say at the very end of the episode? I watched it back three times, but couldn't make it out. Thanks!


He says/repeats "friend" as he is choking on the pie that he is inhaling.
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Re: Part 11 - There's fire where you are going (SPOILERS)

Postby ThumbsUp » Sun Jul 23, 2017 9:10 pm

This is going to sound really fawning or fanboyish or whatever, but this is shaping up to be one of, if not the best (or at least my favourite) TV or film I've watched.
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Re: Part 11 - There's fire where you are going (SPOILERS)

Postby Jadegive2rides » Sun Jul 23, 2017 9:11 pm

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Jadegive2rides wrote:I was REALLY REALLY REALLY excited at the end with the piano, music, red leather, pie, and the coffee. I thought Coop would return for sure!!!


Really? I think it's quite clear that it's going to have to be something very significant. Maybe Gordon and co. can do it if/when they find out about the DNA results from "Dougie Jones", but it might even need to be something bigger than that.



The timing, the nostalgia, and set up just felt right. But I've been duped by this before. I.e. The American Flag scene. Maybe I'm just extremely hopeful for my fav character to return. *sigh*
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Re: Part 11 - There's fire where you are going (SPOILERS)

Postby Jasper » Sun Jul 23, 2017 9:15 pm

Jerry Horne wrote:Anyone know who played the piano player? Looked familiar?


I don't know who it is, but he kind of reminds me of this guy (though I doubt it's the same actor):

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Re: Part 11 - There's fire where you are going (SPOILERS)

Postby Jerry Horne » Sun Jul 23, 2017 9:17 pm

garethw wrote:
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garethw wrote:Who dat?


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Heh... i meant who the actress was :) Never watched The Love Boat!


Oh! She played the captain's daughter. Love Boat was crap, not even worth knowing!
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Re: Part 11 - There's fire where you are going (SPOILERS)

Postby Jadegive2rides » Sun Jul 23, 2017 9:18 pm

Jerry Horne wrote:Wallpaper looks familiar :)


That wallpaper you like is going to come back in style.
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Re: Part 11 - There's fire where you are going (SPOILERS)

Postby Jasper » Sun Jul 23, 2017 9:18 pm

Jadegive2rides wrote:
Jasper wrote:
Jadegive2rides wrote:I was REALLY REALLY REALLY excited at the end with the piano, music, red leather, pie, and the coffee. I thought Coop would return for sure!!!


Really? I think it's quite clear that it's going to have to be something very significant. Maybe Gordon and co. can do it if/when they find out about the DNA results from "Dougie Jones", but it might even need to be something bigger than that.



The timing, the nostalgia, and set up just felt right. But I've been duped by this before. I.e. The American Flag scene. Maybe I'm just extremely hopeful for my fav character to return. *sigh*


It's only going to be something major, not some mild nostalgia. Don't keep doing this to yourself. :lol:
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Re: Part 11 - There's fire where you are going (SPOILERS)

Postby Rami Airola » Sun Jul 23, 2017 9:21 pm

When Cooper is eating the pie I think it's the first time since he got out of the Lodge that he has BLINKED normally.
He's been blinking very slowly up until that point.

I think he really might be snapping out of it soon.
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Re: Part 11 - There's fire where you are going (SPOILERS)

Postby Esselgee » Sun Jul 23, 2017 9:22 pm

Jerry Horne wrote:
garethw wrote:
Jerry Horne wrote:
Friend on Twitter. Film director and TP fan. https://twitter.com/ScottyTheP


Heh... i meant who the actress was :) Never watched The Love Boat!


Oh! She played the captain's daughter. Love Boat was crap, not even worth knowing!


She didn't play the captain's daughter. She played Julie McCoy, the cruise director.
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Re: Part 11 - There's fire where you are going (SPOILERS)

Postby Esselgee » Sun Jul 23, 2017 9:25 pm

Rami Airola wrote:When Cooper is eating the pie I think it's the first time since he got out of the Lodge that he has BLINKED normally.
He's been blinking very slowly up until that point.

I think he really might be snapping out of it soon.


We're going to be watching the final 5 minutes of episode 18 and still be saying, "I think he's going to snap out if it any second now."
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Re: Part 11 - There's fire where you are going (SPOILERS)

Postby TheGum » Sun Jul 23, 2017 9:26 pm

Re- Miriam survived

Just wanted to make a comment about possible multiple timelines, time slips, intentional inconsistencies that will ultimately make sense. In the past couple episodes many have commented on possible sloppy filming (specifically Johnny and Miriam breathing) only to be proven wrong. I happened to finish The Secret History of Twin Peaks today, as well as watch episode 7 again with my girlfriend who hadn't yet seen it. I think we need to seriously consider changes in time somehow. The numerous inconsistencies in the book and sly comments from Frost are a huge clue, but also- that two minute scene of the guy sweeping where nothing happens? That may be our guide- a familiar place is introduced, a classic track plays, seemingly nothing happens but what if that is the point. Immediately afterward we see the ominous shot of the woods, generally foreshadowing evil in TP, and cut to another familiar set, with a classic song playing, but literally half the crowd completely changes in a single shot as the audio kind of clicks. There haven't really been mistakes in this show, it's all been rather intentional and purpose driven. I think this should be discussed.
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Re: Part 11 - There's fire where you are going (SPOILERS)

Postby Mr. Reindeer » Sun Jul 23, 2017 9:30 pm

Can't believe no one has mentioned this yet: Bushnell squeezes DougieCoop's face and says to "knock 'em dead." DougieCoop then repeats, "dead," and imitates the motion, squeezing/smooshing his own face EXACTLY the same way DoppelCoop did to Jack's face in Part 2 when Jack mysteriously died. Curiouser and curiouser.

Also, wtf is with Rodney Mitchum's fake cut? He seemed completely shocked, as if he believed the cut was real. Does this all tie in to the Upanishads excerpt about living inside the dream? Is it a coincidence that this occurs within the same Part as we apparently see a real live zombie, by far the most meta/surreal thing to ever happen within the "real" world of TP? It seems reality is coming apart at the seams in some strange ways.

Second Part in a row without a single Mr. C scene!

This was easily my favorite Part outside of Part 8. All the storylines are firing on all cylinders. The many disparate Twin Peaks-centered plots/characters finally feel like they're leading somewhere. The horn-honking scene was a beautiful Lynchian non sequitur, scary and funny and uncomfortable. Love Jesse asking Frank to check out his new car; Hawk's map is instantly one of my most coveted TP props. People are being hard on Shelly; I'm just glad we didn't lose her, I legitimately thought she was a goner for a minute there. Sure, Red is a scumbag, but I don't blame Shelly for being a sucker for the right kind of magic. ;)
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Re: Part 11 - There's fire where you are going (SPOILERS)

Postby blue_tomorrows » Sun Jul 23, 2017 9:33 pm

Harry Yallrite wrote:Some thoughts:

- So that body of Ruth Davenport wasn't exactly well hidden, was it? Seems like someone would have noticed it at some point before Cole & Albert showed up...


I watched the episode twice, back-to-back (my wife can't miss Game of Thrones, which I don't watch, so we ran this episode again when GoT was done). The second time, it struck me that the body almost seems to appear as a distraction of sorts (to allow the Woodsman time to get to Bill Hastings without being noticed by Gordon or Albert). I'm not at all sure that the body has been there this whole time.
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Re: Part 11 - There's fire where you are going (SPOILERS)

Postby starmand » Sun Jul 23, 2017 9:33 pm

ThumbsUp wrote:This is going to sound really fawning or fanboyish or whatever, but this is shaping up to be one of, if not the best (or at least my favourite) TV or film I've watched.


I agree 100%.
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Re: Part 11 - There's fire where you are going (SPOILERS)

Postby N. Needleman » Sun Jul 23, 2017 9:34 pm

That was probably the best 'conventional' episode so far - including part 7. The Mitchums are lovable buffoons and guardians to Dougie, and the ending sequence was as purely sweet and goodhearted as anything in Lynch's work. The moment with the old woman from the casino was up there for me with the room service waiter in episode 14 of the original show coming up to Cooper and saying he was sorry. Huge tearjerker.

Tonight was the first time I began to wonder if Candie was an avatar of Laura Palmer. It may be nothing, but she was attuned to the same music and wavelength as Cooper. I could watch Amy Shiels forever. And the bit with Red - and Shelly randomly changing mood and rushing out without a word - made me wonder if he is indeed supernatural somehow and has that power over her.

I couldn't begin to start here. So many incredible sequences - the traffic jam with the sick/possessed? child, Carl and Shelly, the desert, Viva Las Vegas, the ending. And the Buckhorn gateway sequence was amazing too - unbelievable stuff. The wide shots of the street with Diane and Tammy perched at either end were art, right out of FWWM. All of these things, works of art.

Speaking of the folks in Buckhorn: Everything about Tammy's visual and movement is, I think, innate to Chrysta Bell who is no thespian, but it's also a pure stylistic choice by Lynch. She is hyper-poised, hyper-exaggerated and she stands out in that dusty, dystopic wasteland with a gun drawn and everything about her decked out to the nines - in that setting, she looks like weird sculpture. You can call it fetishized and it is but I don't think it's about objectifying the female in those scenes so much as it is distilling a kind of weird noir essence. That may be why Bell has commented on being so comfortable with it in interviews - her femininity is used to hyper-stylize an existing strange canvas.

The oldest boy in the trailer park, who saw Miriam, was Mark Frost's young son Travis. I hope we see more of Gersten Hayward, who is clearly making poor choices.

Bushnell is just a delight. And I laughed again at Tom Sizemore crouching outside the window like a penitent dog. Lynch plays him for pure comedy as this bumbling oaf and it's so unlike most of his tough guy roles - he is hysterical when he says or does anything at all, it's so bizarre.

Deputy Jesse is such a cute space cadet. I love how loopy Lynch makes him even in tiny scenes. It's built up over time. And I love Maggie.
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