Part 11 - There's fire where you are going (SPOILERS)
Moderators: Brad D, Annie, Jonah, BookhouseBoyBob, Ross, Jerry Horne
Re: Part 11 - There's fire where you are going (SPOILERS)
I'm okay if plot threads are left unresolved or dangling at the end of this season. In a weird way I'd kind of prefer that, as it would give us more Twin Peaks to speculate on for the next 25 years. I think that was what was so great about the original finale. It's total lack of resolution (or just unresolved cliffhangers) has been a large part of what's fueled the fandom all this time.
I mean really, as long as they don't do like the Sopranos finale I'll be fine.
I mean really, as long as they don't do like the Sopranos finale I'll be fine.
Re: Part 11 - There's fire where you are going (SPOILERS)
You need to add a third category: "Open to Interpretation aka Puzzling'The Gazebo wrote:Much needed post. I've been one of those "concerned" by a potential lack of time to resolve the puzzles. I suppose the conventions of television have made some of us think of possible endings in one of two ways: 1. Mysteries resolved. 2. Cliffhangers + continuation.Jasper wrote:1. There's no reason all of the storylines should resolve. In real life everyone doesn't experience some neat little kind of resolve at the same time, if ever. Lynch famously either avoids resolution, or leaves resolution very much open to interpretation (just look at the various interpretations of the end of Blue Velvet).
F*&^ you Gene Kelly
-
- Great Northern Member
- Posts: 608
- Joined: Fri Mar 11, 2011 3:03 pm
Re: Part 11 - There's fire where you are going (SPOILERS)
Unless I'm losing it, I seem to recall an interview with Laura Dern (maybe that Lynch's Females in Film thing for Vanity Fair?) where she talked about a nail polish story on the new Twin Peaks. I think it was that the make-up person asked which color she wanted and Laura said, "Oh no, let's paint" and started choosing all different colors. Anybody else remember this or know the source?DeepBlueSeed wrote:I didn't really look closely at the specific colours, I'll admit, mostly because I've seen plenty of people with different finger nail colours before. But it'd be interesting if that's a clue - particularly since GC has highlighted the meaning of that finger.Cooperscoffeecup wrote:Those nail colours are strange. One for each finger.bastia wrote:Pay attention to Diane's nails. She has different colors in that.. And one particular color for the spiritual finger
Also, I am quite sure that the scene with diane and badcoop is not really what it seems.
I do think looking at that scene with Diane, Albert and Gordon, at the station, while they were waiting for coffee, Dianne senses that they both know something is up with her. What she is actually doing though is beyond me. And why she would say the woodsman was coming out of the car, that has me puzzled.
Re: Part 11 - There's fire where you are going (SPOILERS)
Been rewatching some of the scenes of Candie. I really do think she's either Laura Palmer or Annie.
Right now I'm going to go with the latter, given that she's very similar to how spaced-out Annie is in those scenes in the Missing Pieces. Rewatch them and then rewatch Candie's scenes. The similarity is remarkable, the far-off look in the eyes. Also, Candie's fascination with things of this world would remind me strongly of Annie's earlier scenes in Season 2 when she seemed so amazed at people and situations like Candie was amazed by the traffic on the strip and the air conditioning in the casino. Rewatch the scene with her and Coop at the bar. The more I think about it the more I'm convinced that Candie IS Annie! (though I won't rule out a possible Laura Palmer avatar either)
Right now I'm going to go with the latter, given that she's very similar to how spaced-out Annie is in those scenes in the Missing Pieces. Rewatch them and then rewatch Candie's scenes. The similarity is remarkable, the far-off look in the eyes. Also, Candie's fascination with things of this world would remind me strongly of Annie's earlier scenes in Season 2 when she seemed so amazed at people and situations like Candie was amazed by the traffic on the strip and the air conditioning in the casino. Rewatch the scene with her and Coop at the bar. The more I think about it the more I'm convinced that Candie IS Annie! (though I won't rule out a possible Laura Palmer avatar either)
Last edited by Jonah on Wed Jul 26, 2017 7:37 am, edited 2 times in total.
I have no idea where this will lead us, but I have a definite feeling it will be a place both wonderful and strange.
- DeepBlueSeed
- RR Diner Member
- Posts: 258
- Joined: Mon Jun 19, 2017 7:32 am
- Location: London, UK
- Contact:
Re: Part 11 - There's fire where you are going (SPOILERS)
I think it definitely has a part to play, or else it would have just stayed in Cooper's pocket all this time. But maybe it's Chekhov's key - they introduced it to the scene early on, but we won't see it's use till much later. I think it turned up after the sounds had begun, so I'm not sure whether they're directly related to that.Cappy wrote:I think that to Ben, the room key might represent his dark side, or his history of awful deeds that he wants to forget. I can understand why he might bury it in his pocket like some repressed memory.
I do think the key will come back into play somehow. I have a weird feeling that when he lapses back into power-hungry and adulterous Ben he will try to take Beverly to room 315 after dinner, only to find god knows what in there.
Also it's interesting how the Great Northern starts that background humming sound almost in reaction to the key's presence, like it can detect a small piece of Cooper on it. I wonder how the town at large will react when/if Cooper appears there in the flesh.
"The stories that I wanna tell you about... "
- The Gazebo
- RR Diner Member
- Posts: 281
- Joined: Thu Jun 29, 2017 3:34 pm
Re: Part 11 - There's fire where you are going (SPOILERS)
Yeah, you're right. I think there are varying degrees of tolerance to open endings. Personally, I seem to wish for more resolution than puzzling. Maybe there is a little fear of not being up to the task, coupled with a bit of laziness.mtwentz wrote:You need to add a third category: "Open to Interpretation aka Puzzling'
- Saturn's child
- RR Diner Member
- Posts: 403
- Joined: Fri Mar 04, 2016 4:38 pm
- Location: Blue Mountains
Re: Part 11 - There's fire where you are going (SPOILERS)
I don't know the source, but as I remember it she said "Let David paint".bosguy1981 wrote:Unless I'm losing it, I seem to recall an interview with Laura Dern (maybe that Lynch's Females in Film thing for Vanity Fair?) where she talked about a nail polish story on the new Twin Peaks. I think it was that the make-up person asked which color she wanted and Laura said, "Oh no, let's paint" and started choosing all different colors. Anybody else remember this or know the source?
- Firewalkwithme91
- Roadhouse Member
- Posts: 84
- Joined: Fri Feb 24, 2017 4:20 pm
Re: Part 11 - There's fire where you are going (SPOILERS)
I also don´t think we are going to have an ending that will tie absolutely everything up and provide a neat resolution. If you think about it Twin Peaks never had an ending like that before. The season 1 and 2 finales simply piled cliffhanger upon cliffhanger and everything was out in the open as far as the characters were concerned. FWWM was similiar in that regard because it was also supposed to be one movie in a series of more. But still the most important thing was its emotional resonance. And I think we are going to experience that with Cooper´s return and the redemption of Twin Peaks, the town. I think it will feel like the ending of "Inland Empire" were some sort of emotional catharsis is happening even though most of us probably didn´t understand how all these different story- and timelines fit together. But the emotion was real and I felt satisfied.
- Saturn's child
- RR Diner Member
- Posts: 403
- Joined: Fri Mar 04, 2016 4:38 pm
- Location: Blue Mountains
Re: Part 11 - There's fire where you are going (SPOILERS)
There are a few, aren't there? Ruth's arm, Gordon's drawing + his "cat on a hot tin roof", all the other shaking arms in the old series / FWWM, James's green-handed friend, the one armed man, the evolution of the arm, Dougie's disappearing hand trick, and this hand/arm from Hawk's map that was discussed a day so ago:KyleRickards wrote:
Another arm with relevance to the plot?
Could be a Truman pictured next to it. I'm sure there are other arms I'm missing (the arms on the clock at 2:53?)
- zeronumber
- RR Diner Member
- Posts: 105
- Joined: Tue Jun 01, 2010 7:42 pm
Re: RE: Re: Part 11 - There's fire where you are going (SPOILERS)
Has any one gone yet? Go! Get pictures....its only 200 ft off Ruby Creek Road~!!!counterpaul wrote:I'm reading 4855142 117263458.BigEd wrote:This is what I'm reading from the arm:
https://www.google.nl/maps/place/48%C2% ... 17.4443222
And if you translate that to 48°55'14.2"N 117°26'34.58"W and plug it into Google Maps you get a spot in Washington state just a hair south of the Canadian border and a few miles west of the state line. Sound familiar?
Pretty fun!
Sent from my NEC-NE-201A1A using Tapatalk
- zeronumber
- RR Diner Member
- Posts: 105
- Joined: Tue Jun 01, 2010 7:42 pm
Re: Part 11 - There's fire where you are going (SPOILERS)
Or not near any road at all. (Keep track of your feet.)
Sent from my NEC-NE-201A1A using Tapatalk
Sent from my NEC-NE-201A1A using Tapatalk
Re: Part 11 - There's fire where you are going (SPOILERS)
Agree largely with this.Firewalkwithme91 wrote:I also don´t think we are going to have an ending that will tie absolutely everything up and provide a neat resolution. If you think about it Twin Peaks never had an ending like that before. The season 1 and 2 finales simply piled cliffhanger upon cliffhanger and everything was out in the open as far as the characters were concerned. FWWM was similiar in that regard because it was also supposed to be one movie in a series of more. But still the most important thing was its emotional resonance. And I think we are going to experience that with Cooper´s return and the redemption of Twin Peaks, the town. I think it will feel like the ending of "Inland Empire" were some sort of emotional catharsis is happening even though most of us probably didn´t understand how all these different story- and timelines fit together. But the emotion was real and I felt satisfied.
I laughed deeply at the Roadhouse sweeping scene in part 7 because it made me think of the endless task Lynch would have of sweeping up all the loose ends from the original series, something I was also reminded of by the morning-after state of the floor in the Pink Room from FWWM. That's a whole lot of loose ends. It's not going to happen, and nor would I wish it to. There has to be a large degree of indeterminacy and many questions left dangling for the Lynchian world to remain Lynchian. There will be wonder, and fans will synthesise a million and one in-universe explanations for things left unexplained, none of which will be definitive. The way it should be. Lots of wonder.
As a matter of fact, 'Chalfont' was the name of the people that rented this space before. Two Chalfonts. Weird, huh?
- zeronumber
- RR Diner Member
- Posts: 105
- Joined: Tue Jun 01, 2010 7:42 pm
Re: RE: Re: Part 11 - There's fire where you are going (SPOILERS)
https://www.wmagazine.com/gallery/david ... prager/allbosguy1981 wrote:Unless I'm losing it, I seem to recall an interview with Laura Dern (maybe that Lynch's Females in Film thing for Vanity Fair?) where she talked about a nail polish story on the new Twin Peaks. I think it was that the make-up person asked which color she wanted and Laura said, "Oh no, let's paint" and started choosing all different colors. Anybody else remember this or know the source?DeepBlueSeed wrote:I didn't really look closely at the specific colours, I'll admit, mostly because I've seen plenty of people with different finger nail colours before. But it'd be interesting if that's a clue - particularly since GC has highlighted the meaning of that finger.Cooperscoffeecup wrote:
Those nail colours are strange. One for each finger.
I do think looking at that scene with Diane, Albert and Gordon, at the station, while they were waiting for coffee, Dianne senses that they both know something is up with her. What she is actually doing though is beyond me. And why she would say the woodsman was coming out of the car, that has me puzzled.
There was this article too. Amazing stuff. I was taken by the portratues, and wondered about it untill i had happenstance came upon the inspiration for the photoshoot which homages disney's "Return to Oz" 1985.
The film featured the ingenue Faiuza Balk as Dorothy,who faces the evil queen Momby who can switch heads with any of the many gallery of collected womens heads.
The gallery is identical to the portraits in this W piece.
Good film. (And we know how much Lynch reveres Baum's Oz)
Sent from my NEC-NE-201A1A using Tapatalk
Re: RE: Re: Part 11 - There's fire where you are going (SPOILERS)
I think they were talking about earrings.Saturn's child wrote:I don't know the source, but as I remember it she said "Let David paint".bosguy1981 wrote:Unless I'm losing it, I seem to recall an interview with Laura Dern (maybe that Lynch's Females in Film thing for Vanity Fair?) where she talked about a nail polish story on the new Twin Peaks. I think it was that the make-up person asked which color she wanted and Laura said, "Oh no, let's paint" and started choosing all different colors. Anybody else remember this or know the source?
This is - excuse me - a damn fine cup of coffee.
- Firewalkwithme91
- Roadhouse Member
- Posts: 84
- Joined: Fri Feb 24, 2017 4:20 pm
Re: Part 11 - There's fire where you are going (SPOILERS)
Yeah, a lot of mysteries also kept the series alive all these years and I´m always suprised to see new people coming to the show, providing a totally different meaning for certain storylines, character decisions, images and so forth, even after all these years and all this endless theorizing, thousands of think pieces and articles.Novalis wrote:Agree largely with this.Firewalkwithme91 wrote:I also don´t think we are going to have an ending that will tie absolutely everything up and provide a neat resolution. If you think about it Twin Peaks never had an ending like that before. The season 1 and 2 finales simply piled cliffhanger upon cliffhanger and everything was out in the open as far as the characters were concerned. FWWM was similiar in that regard because it was also supposed to be one movie in a series of more. But still the most important thing was its emotional resonance. And I think we are going to experience that with Cooper´s return and the redemption of Twin Peaks, the town. I think it will feel like the ending of "Inland Empire" were some sort of emotional catharsis is happening even though most of us probably didn´t understand how all these different story- and timelines fit together. But the emotion was real and I felt satisfied.
I laughed deeply at the Roadhouse sweeping scene in part 7 because it made me think of the endless task Lynch would have of sweeping up all the loose ends from the original series, something I was also reminded of by the morning-after state of the floor in the Pink Room from FWWM. That's a whole lot of loose ends. It's not going to happen, and nor would I wish it to. There has to be a large degree of indeterminacy and many questions left dangling for the Lynchian world to remain Lynchian. There will be wonder, and fans will synthesise a million and one in-universe explanations for things left unexplained, none of which will be definitive. The way it should be. Lots of wonder.