N. Needleman wrote:I love the mythology elements, I always have. And I am quite immersed in the plot. But for L/F to focus on that at the expense of the emotion and the tone, or Lynch's private obsessions and strange visions, would make this just another genre TV show. It's never been that and it never, ever will be. If someone wants that they have lots of other things they can watch. Things that were inspired by Twin Peaks.
I don't think anybody's ever claimed Twin Peaks was utterly without flaw. But I never wanted to make it something different to satisfy my own mental construct. It's just never going to be predictable. Every week I still have absolutely no idea what I'm going to see - that hasn't happened in 25 years. Even when hours like this are at least 50% challenging to say the least it's still unlike anything on television. I never thought that would happen again, even when I learned the show would be back. That is always exhilarating. And it's worth so much more to me than the story fulfilling a schematic I developed in my mind. It owes me nothing but even at its most difficult it gives me so much.
Well put. I'm there with you.
dustoff wrote:Is there a forum for people who actually like Twin Peaks: The Return?
I'm in favor of a ''Profoundly Satisfied by Part 12 Support Group.''
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dustoff wrote:Is there a forum for people who actually like Twin Peaks: The Return?
Come on, don't exaggerate. There is an unlimited amount of threads where 90 % of the posters gush over the show. There is one single thread (the "Profundly Disappointed" one) generally devoted to those who're not in such rosy mood about what the show's doing and where it's going - and gushers have been regularly dropping in there as well, saying things like "you don't have a clue", "you're in it just for nostalgia's sake", "you should really be watching something else" etc. The point is, why should the world come to a halt when a different opinion occasionally interrupts a consensus? It only makes for a jucier, zestier discussion in the long run.
Fair enough, I hear you. (Though please, take my comment the way it was intended, as a gentle nudge to those whose vocal exasperation with this episode seems -- to me -- incommensurate with its actual contents.)
As for the "Profoundly Disappointed" group, I've tried to avoid it, mainly because I cannot fathom why someone who is so disappointed with something would bother to expend that much energy -- 115 pages, and counting! -- on something they don't like. I mean, I can only imagine the feeling is like that of being jilted -- getting over it is easier said than done. At a certain point, though, you gotta move on. But I guess that's an observation more suited for that thread than this one -- just don't want to seem like I'm trolling by including it there.
Worst episode by far tonight. Just dead air, although great and frightening scenes with Sarah.
Will pick up again though I'm sure - this episode is one of the only genuine offenders for "padding" imo where there's just not enough material. Audrey/Charlie scene is probably the worst thing Lynch has ever filmed.
dustoff wrote:Is there a forum for people who actually like Twin Peaks: The Return?
Come on, don't exaggerate. There is an unlimited amount of threads where 90 % of the posters gush over the show. There is one single thread (the "Profundly Disappointed" one) generally devoted to those who're not in such rosy mood about what the show's doing and where it's going - and gushers have been regularly dropping in there as well, saying things like "you don't have a clue", "you're in it just for nostalgia's sake", "you should really be watching something else" etc. The point is, why should the world come to a halt when a different opinion occasionally interrupts a consensus? It only makes for a jucier, zestier discussion in the long run.
Nah, I'd say this forum is mostly weighted towards a negative perception of the new show actually. But that's fine. I've disagreed vehemently throughout, although last night's episode really was poor.
dustoff wrote:Is there a forum for people who actually like Twin Peaks: The Return?
Come on, don't exaggerate. There is an unlimited amount of threads where 90 % of the posters gush over the show. There is one single thread (the "Profundly Disappointed" one) generally devoted to those who're not in such rosy mood about what the show's doing and where it's going - and gushers have been regularly dropping in there as well, saying things like "you don't have a clue", "you're in it just for nostalgia's sake", "you should really be watching something else" etc. The point is, why should the world come to a halt when a different opinion occasionally interrupts a consensus? It only makes for a jucier, zestier discussion in the long run.
Fair enough, I hear you. (Though please, take my comment the way it was intended, as a gentle nudge to those whose vocal exasperation with this episode seems -- to me -- incommensurate with its actual contents.)
As for the "Profoundly Disappointed" group, I've tried to avoid it, mainly because I cannot fathom why someone who is so disappointed with something would bother to expend that much energy -- 115 pages, and counting! -- on something they don't like. I mean, I can only imagine the feeling is like that of being jilted -- getting over it is easier said than done. At a certain point, though, you gotta move on. But I guess that's an observation more suited for that thread than this one -- just don't want to seem like I'm trolling by including it there.
I don't see it as trolling if it's a reasonable statement/question about a topic that arises in a more-or-less related discussion (moreover, I do think the term "trollIing"'s been (ab)used so much it's been rendered practically meaningless, just a random insult to be thrown at a guy/gal whose vibe you don't like).
As to your question re: the huge amount of energy devoted to something you don't like (or even hate), I think your comparison with being jilted about nails it. People have been in a Twin Peaks state of mind for more than a quarter of a century - you think that feeling shakes off easily just because the continuation you coveted for all this time strolls by and it happens to crush everything about the old series you were in awe over??? It's not a "oh well, life goes on, maybe I'll rather check out the new Baywatch show" matter, let me tell you.
dustoff wrote:Is there a forum for people who actually like Twin Peaks: The Return?
Come on, don't exaggerate. There is an unlimited amount of threads where 90 % of the posters gush over the show. There is one single thread (the "Profundly Disappointed" one) generally devoted to those who're not in such rosy mood about what the show's doing and where it's going - and gushers have been regularly dropping in there as well, saying things like "you don't have a clue", "you're in it just for nostalgia's sake", "you should really be watching something else" etc. The point is, why should the world come to a halt when a different opinion occasionally interrupts a consensus? It only makes for a jucier, zestier discussion in the long run.
Nah, I'd say this forum is mostly weighted towards a negative perception of the new show actually.
dustoff wrote:Is there a forum for people who actually like Twin Peaks: The Return?
Come on, don't exaggerate. There is an unlimited amount of threads where 90 % of the posters gush over the show. There is one single thread (the "Profundly Disappointed" one) generally devoted to those who're not in such rosy mood about what the show's doing and where it's going - and gushers have been regularly dropping in there as well, saying things like "you don't have a clue", "you're in it just for nostalgia's sake", "you should really be watching something else" etc. The point is, why should the world come to a halt when a different opinion occasionally interrupts a consensus? It only makes for a jucier, zestier discussion in the long run.
Nah, I'd say this forum is mostly weighted towards a negative perception of the new show actually. But that's fine. I've disagreed vehemently throughout, although last night's episode really was poor.
Agent Earle wrote:
Come on, don't exaggerate. There is an unlimited amount of threads where 90 % of the posters gush over the show. There is one single thread (the "Profundly Disappointed" one) generally devoted to those who're not in such rosy mood about what the show's doing and where it's going - and gushers have been regularly dropping in there as well, saying things like "you don't have a clue", "you're in it just for nostalgia's sake", "you should really be watching something else" etc. The point is, why should the world come to a halt when a different opinion occasionally interrupts a consensus? It only makes for a jucier, zestier discussion in the long run.
Nah, I'd say this forum is mostly weighted towards a negative perception of the new show actually. But that's fine. I've disagreed vehemently throughout, although last night's episode really was poor.
mtwentz wrote:
Yeah, I guess but I thought that was already established with the dead farmers.
To me it established they were professional. If they were malicious and chaotic they'd have killed the kid too.
They were discussing torturing the warden for quite some time before the hit, like torture is a regular indulgence for them. That's pretty f'ing malicious. As for not shooting the kid, they weren't instructed to kill him by the boss man, so they're professional in that sense (or at least scared to get out of line), but they're evil people.
True, but I think in the Chantel/Hutch equation she is the crazy malicious element. Clearly they're both bad people. But Hutch seems pretty grounded.
Having seen what other people have posted too I like the idea that the scene was also tying into the themes of fathers and sons. Echoed by the one Dougie Coop scene. Boys love their fathers. I guess that echoes last week's gun toting family too. Maybe the idea of Richard not having a father is supposed to be why he's so crazy. No role model to put him on the straight and narrow (or at least reign in his crazy streak).
jakemartinez wrote:
I mean why else would they mention Audrey, have the man with the truck, have Bing ask for Billy at the end, have Charlie tell Audrey about Billy's truck going missing... Lynch obviously has this all laid out. Audrey may find out her son killed her lover.
I guess on some level I am expecting there to be some sort of misdirection with Audrey's predicament.
The Audrey scene did feel jarring at first, but I admit that near the end of it I was cracking up. Poor Audrey, her marriage is like some kind of absurdist hell where it's impossible to communicate.
I think this scene will be better in hindsight, especially when we get a broader sense of context, and we see how this ties into the rest of the narrative.
A trainwreck of bad dedicions from the writing to the direction.
I was looking forward to it after last week's episode, but this was in all honesty the most dull episode of Twin Peaks ever.
Regarding the issue someone raised, of ""Dugpa, World Of Blue"-TP forum being too negative in general, that to me is complete craziness.
You wont find a more positive place regarding Twin Peaks the return than this forum.
In other parts of the net, where you have comment sections and people engaging, there is much, much more negativity, one comment after the other criticizing the Return, calling it boring, pretentious, a meandering failure etc.
Dugpa is mostly hardcore fans, genuinely wanting to love the new season, with more than 2 out of 3 posters loving the new season more than the old seasons according to the decently sized poll. This is highly unusual compared to elsewhere on the net, and I dare say showing a huge 'positive' confirmation bias based on what we're actually getting.
I don't see the grossly negative reaction online that you do. Polarizing, yes. Overwhelmingly negative, far from it. I think the reaction in dedicated fan forums is actually far more vehement.
AnotherBlueRoseCase wrote:The Return is clearly guaranteed a future audience among stoners and other drug users.
Just finished watching, and I'm glad I had my expectations lowered by the chat window this morning. and went in just expecting a regular episode.
It was great! I loved, loved, loved the return of the backwards FWWM sound design, and the Sarah Palmer stuff was amazing. I was laughing throughout the scene with Gordon's "friend", which was simply ridiculous physical comedy (it reminded me of On The Air actually). This isn't the weakest part for me. All of it was stronger than the endless casino scene in Part 3.
I was really annoyed to catch an Audrey spoiler in the chat window this morning (and have resolved to try and avoid this site completely on show day rather than try and get tidbits), but the scene itself was indeed underwhelming for me. I'm not particularly attached to the character of Audrey, but it just seemed way too long (as did the really laboured bike story).
The original show had far more filler than this though, surely? I guess the complaint here is that they got to do exactly what they want so the filler shouldn't be there, but I think that is naive.
I'm there with you.
