Part 12 - Let's rock (SPOILERS)

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Re: Part 12 - Let's rock (SPOILERS)

Postby Novalis » Sun Aug 06, 2017 4:15 pm

Jasper wrote:I don’t know if it’s been mentioned here or elsewhere, but I noticed these recurring loop-shaped pendants in part 12.

The circles/loops were everywhere in the first two seasons, reflecting the cyclic nature of events in Twin Peaks (“It is happening again.”). Donuts, Coop’s ring, MIKE’s “golden circle”, the Circle Brand boots Andy buys from Gerard, smoke rings, the circle of trees, the oil pool, and a lot of other stuff. Then we have BOB’s circle of candles in the European movie ending, and MIKE’s circle of candles in TMP.

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Very nice catch. 'And everything will proceed cyclically' as it says in the FWWM script.
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Re: Part 12 - Let's rock (SPOILERS)

Postby djsunyc » Sun Aug 06, 2017 4:23 pm

damn, with those pics...is audrey at the great northern?
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Re: Part 12 - Let's rock (SPOILERS)

Postby Jasper » Sun Aug 06, 2017 4:27 pm

djsunyc wrote:damn, with those pics...is audrey at the great northern?


Probably not, but either way, one thing about part 12 that nobody can complain about is a lack of wood interiors in Twin Peaks. :lol:
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Re: Part 12 - Let's rock (SPOILERS)

Postby Dreamy Audrey » Sun Aug 06, 2017 4:43 pm

Speaking of circle necklaces:

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I've been wondering for some time, if there was a connection between the drugged-out mother ("119") and rash girl (Ella) because both are wearing similar coin necklaces (and it looks like the drugged-out mother might have a rash as well). And now in Part 12, we had Natalie with a similar Roadhouse scene like Ella, and she was wearing a coin necklace as well. The silver coins in connection to the junkies (mother and Ella) reminded me of the drug dealer Red and his coin trick, by the way.
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Re: Part 12 - Let's rock (SPOILERS)

Postby Jasper » Sun Aug 06, 2017 4:48 pm

Dreamy Audrey wrote:Speaking of circle necklaces:

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I've been wondering for some time, if there was a connection between the drugged-out mother ("119") and rash girl (Ella) because both are wearing similar coin necklaces (and it looks like the drugged-out mother might have a rash as well). And now in Part 12, we had Natalie with a similar Roadhouse scene like Ella, and she was wearing a coin necklace as well. The silver coins in connection to the junkies (mother and Ella) reminded me of the drug dealer Red and his coin trick, by the way.


Excellent observations.
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Re: Part 12 - Let's rock (SPOILERS)

Postby Ross » Sun Aug 06, 2017 7:01 pm

Ross wrote:For people who read the old spoiler thread...

What ever happened to...

Spoiler:
Renzo?

Ok- that's weird...
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Re: Part 12 - Let's rock (SPOILERS)

Postby mtwentz » Sun Aug 06, 2017 7:23 pm

Ross wrote:
Ross wrote:For people who read the old spoiler thread...

What ever happened to...

Spoiler:
Renzo?

Ok- that's weird...

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Postby zeronumber » Sun Aug 06, 2017 8:12 pm

sewhite2000 wrote:The EW podcast has been terrific. I've been listening to it every week.

I saw an article on TVGuide.com which claimed a new theory has been "exploding all over the Internet". Here's the theory: the "Chuck" referenced by Audrey is actually Richard. Chuck is a familiar variation on Charles, so this theory claims his real name is Richard Charles Horne or Charles Richard Horne, and that he's the son of Charlie and Audrey. Audrey says Chuck stole a truck, and we know Richard was driving a stolen truck.

I'm just throwing that out there, since I heard it. Not saying I endorse it. Actually, I think the theory is kind of week. First of all, Ben said Richard had "no father", so it seems unlikely that Charlie, who's still alive and appears, for better or worse, to still be a big part of Audrey's life, would have been an absent father. Also, why would Richard have the last name Horne instead of Charlie's last name? Using his mother's last name? Again, seems unlikely Richard would use his mother's last name if his father has always been around and is still part of his mother's life. (Also, the theory accepts Audrey's is Richard's mother, which still hasn't been definitively stated).

I was a little annoyed the article claimed the theory was "all over the Internet" when I hadn't heard anyone from here mention it! Surely, this is one of if not the largest forum where fans of the show gather!

Agree with EW podcast outstanding.

I also dig Diane podcast with its saavy Brit spin on our beloved obsession.

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Re: Part 12 - Let's rock (SPOILERS)

Postby sylvia_north » Thu Aug 10, 2017 12:13 am

nick1218 wrote:
djsunyc wrote:
Ene wrote:I personally thought the French woman was hilarious, her acting was just perfectly over the top. Kind of surprised though that the womanizer theme for Cole is so central.


why is a woman like that in south dakota? lol



I dont know but when I get in my 70s and have a giant hearing aid at least I know I can go to South Dakota and pick someone up in a bar who looks like a model :)


This particular hotel is in Paris, the exterior is shown in 13. Then again, the exterior of Ike's motel is clearly in LA.

Janey E is wearing a circle pendant also in 13.
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Re: Part 12 - Let's rock (SPOILERS)

Postby claaa7 » Thu Aug 10, 2017 4:27 am

"Let's knock!!!"

*Gordon knocks at the table*

haha
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Re: Part 12 - Let's rock (SPOILERS)

Postby Rudagger » Thu Aug 10, 2017 4:24 pm

Ross wrote:
Rudagger wrote:
Ross wrote:I think that's supposed to be the takeaway. I do think actually mentioning the time restriction would have helped though.

And since this plan had been in place for like ten years, it might have made sense for EvilCoop to make sure the switch actually happened before going thru with the hit.


But, if the switch didn't happen, then presumably Doppelcoop would be in the Black Lodge again anyway (and real Coop would've taken his place in the car). What's Doppelcoop care if the real Dougie Jones gets killed at that point? It'd be his last middle finger to the world before returning.

No I meant if the switch didn't happen at all at that exact moment. Like - if for some reason the switch happens an hour late. Or a day late. Then the hit men kill the real Dougie and ruin evilCoops plan. Why not wait til after to make sure?


I assume there is a real specificity to the time it would happen that Doppelcoop already knew about (though, it does beg the question, why be driving around when that happens, and risk getting arrested? But, then again, he got arrested, and had dirt on the warden anyway .. so was that part of his plan? Or just poor plotting? Or do we accept that Doppelcoop has some sort of supernatural omnipotence).
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Re: Part 12 - Let's rock (SPOILERS)

Postby whoisalhedges » Thu Aug 10, 2017 5:16 pm

Rudagger wrote: why be driving around when that happens, and risk getting arrested? But, then again, he got arrested, and had dirt on the warden anyway .. so was that part of his plan? Or just poor plotting? Or do we accept that Doppelcoop has some sort of supernatural omnipotence

Um... I thought that was obvious. Not trying to be Mr Smartypants, I thought Mr. C explicitly stated as much; that after Ray got arrested, he made plans to get himself arrested so he could spring Ray (and the coordinates he needed, I mean, wanted. Even if he didn't say that to Ray back in 8; remember the first thing he did (after killing Darya) when he found out Ray was at Yankton: he downloaded blueprints for the prison (and, I assume, some dirt on the warden).
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Re: Part 12 - Let's rock (SPOILERS)

Postby Rudagger » Thu Aug 10, 2017 6:20 pm

whoisalhedges wrote:
Rudagger wrote: why be driving around when that happens, and risk getting arrested? But, then again, he got arrested, and had dirt on the warden anyway .. so was that part of his plan? Or just poor plotting? Or do we accept that Doppelcoop has some sort of supernatural omnipotence

Um... I thought that was obvious. Not trying to be Mr Smartypants, I thought Mr. C explicitly stated as much; that after Ray got arrested, he made plans to get himself arrested so he could spring Ray (and the coordinates he needed, I mean, wanted. Even if he didn't say that to Ray back in 8; remember the first thing he did (after killing Darya) when he found out Ray was at Yankton: he downloaded blueprints for the prison (and, I assume, some dirt on the warden).


I've seen each episode twice, but, even then I can miss stuff, haha. It's been a ton of content to keep track of.
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Re: Part 12 - Let's rock (SPOILERS)

Postby claaa7 » Thu Aug 10, 2017 10:48 pm

Rudagger wrote:
Ross wrote:
Rudagger wrote:
But, if the switch didn't happen, then presumably Doppelcoop would be in the Black Lodge again anyway (and real Coop would've taken his place in the car). What's Doppelcoop care if the real Dougie Jones gets killed at that point? It'd be his last middle finger to the world before returning.

No I meant if the switch didn't happen at all at that exact moment. Like - if for some reason the switch happens an hour late. Or a day late. Then the hit men kill the real Dougie and ruin evilCoops plan. Why not wait til after to make sure?


I assume there is a real specificity to the time it would happen that Doppelcoop already knew about (though, it does beg the question, why be driving around when that happens, and risk getting arrested? But, then again, he got arrested, and had dirt on the warden anyway .. so was that part of his plan? Or just poor plotting? Or do we accept that Doppelcoop has some sort of supernatural omnipotence).


BadCoop knew that the switch was about to happen, 2:53 was always the time on that specific day. the day before he says to Darya that "tomorrow i'm about to be dragged back to that place they call the Black Lodge.. but i'm not going to let that happen". he says he needs to be alone for a few days and is driving in the opposite direction from the prison according to Albert. so this was something he had to do before he went to the prison to get Ray out of there in order to get the coordinates. the following theory on why he is out in the desert and the importance of electricity for him and Cooper in the Mauve room at the same time holds a lot of weight imo:

https://www.reddit.com/r/twinpeaks/comm ... h=f634994e
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Re: Part 12 - Let's rock (SPOILERS)

Postby whoisalhedges » Fri Aug 11, 2017 3:05 am

Rudagger wrote:I've seen each episode twice, but, even then I can miss stuff, haha. It's been a ton of content to keep track of.

Ain't it the truth? :lol:

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