Part 14 - We are like the dreamer (SPOILERS)

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Re: Part 14 - We are like the dreamer (SPOILERS)

Postby douglasb » Wed Aug 16, 2017 2:37 pm

Quite a few people got frustrated at the lack of concern about Dougie's demeanour by family and colleagues. They noticed something was odd, but didn't react in a realistic manner. Notice then that no-one makes mention of the fact that Naido has no eyes, whereas I think that would freak most people out immediately.
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Re: Part 14 - We are like the dreamer (SPOILERS)

Postby wxray » Wed Aug 16, 2017 2:37 pm

Denise's Pieces wrote:
Dreamy Audrey wrote:It was "Elk's Point #9 Bar". I thought it was in Twin Peaks, and I don't think there was anything that suggested it was somewhere else. Sarah was walking there. Why would she walk to a different town to have a drink if she can have a drink in Twin Peaks?

In the real world, Elk's Point #9 Bar is Smokey Joe's Tavern in Snoqualmie, and is a block away from the giant log from the first season intro. Interestingly, it is across the street from the "Woodman Lodge Restaurant Steakhouse".

Elk's Point bar is a little rougher, more for the hard drinker, pool player.

The Roadhouse is more for the younger set.

At least that's what it seemed to me. Sarah at the Roadhouse would be out of place.
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Re: Part 14 - We are like the dreamer (SPOILERS)

Postby Esselgee » Wed Aug 16, 2017 2:44 pm

Will we find out that the Renault family owns the Elk's Point Bar also?
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Re: Part 14 - We are like the dreamer (SPOILERS)

Postby alreadygoneplaces » Wed Aug 16, 2017 2:47 pm

wxray wrote:
Denise's Pieces wrote:
Dreamy Audrey wrote:It was "Elk's Point #9 Bar". I thought it was in Twin Peaks, and I don't think there was anything that suggested it was somewhere else. Sarah was walking there. Why would she walk to a different town to have a drink if she can have a drink in Twin Peaks?

In the real world, Elk's Point #9 Bar is Smokey Joe's Tavern in Snoqualmie, and is a block away from the giant log from the first season intro. Interestingly, it is across the street from the "Woodman Lodge Restaurant Steakhouse".

Elk's Point bar is a little rougher, more for the hard drinker, pool player.

The Roadhouse is more for the younger set.

At least that's what it seemed to me. Sarah at the Roadhouse would be out of place.


And you can't smoke at the Roadhouse, but there were ashtrays on the bar at Elk's Point...
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Re: Part 14 - We are like the dreamer (SPOILERS)

Postby Ragnell » Wed Aug 16, 2017 2:49 pm

Freddy isn't the first superhero in Twin Peaks. Lots of characters have superpowers, whether they have origins or not.
In the original seasons:

Nadine - Superstrength.

Sarah Palmer - Clairvoyance

Laura Palmer - Clairvoyance

Dale Cooper - Clairvoyance and a level of empathy that borders on telepathy at times. Not to mention being a "strong sender" could arguably confirm telepathy

The Log Lady had an origin story and the ability to communicate with the spirit world through a block of wood.

Maj. Briggs saw the future in his dreams.

Since then we can add Carl Rodd and Gordon Cole to our list of clairvoyants, and superstrength to Dale's list of powers.

Freddy differs mainly because he can actually recount how he got his powers but really, I can't put him next to Nadine and the Log Lady and say he's out of place. His green glove looks a little weird is all.
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Re: Part 14 - We are like the dreamer (SPOILERS)

Postby referendum » Wed Aug 16, 2017 2:53 pm

@dreamyaudrey

Edit: I just realized that if you meant the scene from Part 13 where Sarah is sitting at home in front of the TV, then I did watch them in a different order, because I saw Part 14 with the bar scene first :D


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Re: Part 14 - We are like the dreamer (SPOILERS)

Postby mtwentz » Wed Aug 16, 2017 2:58 pm

douglasb wrote:Quite a few people got frustrated at the lack of concern about Dougie's demeanour by family and colleagues. They noticed something was odd, but didn't react in a realistic manner. Notice then that no-one makes mention of the fact that Naido has no eyes, whereas I think that would freak most people out immediately.


Whoever said Twin Peaks was 'realistic'. It's genre is difficult to pin down, but surrealism and absurdist comedy are two categories that it falls in. Neither of those require all the characters to have 'realistic reactions' (which is very hard to define anyway, since people's reactions are not always within a hypothesized norm).
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Re: Part 14 - We are like the dreamer (SPOILERS)

Postby iar » Wed Aug 16, 2017 3:14 pm

Sarah's obsession with Bloody Marys is like my wife's obsession with Bloody Marys. Should I be concerned?
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Re: Part 14 - We are like the dreamer (SPOILERS)

Postby Dreamy Audrey » Wed Aug 16, 2017 3:16 pm

Ragnell wrote:Freddy isn't the first superhero in Twin Peaks. Lots of characters have superpowers, whether they have origins or not.
In the original seasons:

Nadine - Superstrength.

Sarah Palmer - Clairvoyance

Laura Palmer - Clairvoyance

Dale Cooper - Clairvoyance and a level of empathy that borders on telepathy at times. Not to mention being a "strong sender" could arguably confirm telepathy

The Log Lady had an origin story and the ability to communicate with the spirit world through a block of wood.

Maj. Briggs saw the future in his dreams.

Since then we can add Carl Rodd and Gordon Cole to our list of clairvoyants, and superstrength to Dale's list of powers.

Freddy differs mainly because he can actually recount how he got his powers but really, I can't put him next to Nadine and the Log Lady and say he's out of place. His green glove looks a little weird is all.

I think my problem with Freddie is the green glove and the origin story, which makes this story seem like it's from a superhero comic book. The other superpowers in Twin Peaks were weird and sometimes absurd (Nadine), but at least they were mysterious. I also did not like the dialogue of Freddie's scene. By the way, do you think that the other characters got their superpowers in a similar way like Freddie (without any gloves involved)? It's possible that they either didn't talk about it or forgot how they got their powers.
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Re: Part 14 - We are like the dreamer (SPOILERS)

Postby sycamore » Wed Aug 16, 2017 3:19 pm

zeronumber wrote:Ok,
Here is another 2¢.

After the suspensful answer and subsequent aural cue to the answer that "Tina" was that girls mom....

We are left mystified that she did not say what we all were thinking and reply "Audrey".

This,along with our previous two encounter with Audrey and Charlie leads me to the following (obtained by Tibetan method...) associations to conjecture the following:

I purport that Audrey is Tina.

Perhaps she is suffering a schizophrenic split in which Tina is her other self. Who has a life, a daughter and apparently issues with which Audrey hates.

Charlie is some sort of facilitator... And to be clear and eliminate any ambiguity...

The phone call he place to "Tina", may have all been a charade! (There was no Tina on the phone!) He already knew all the somewhat shocking details and was only pressing Audrey by not telling her the things which she may already know as "Tina" but has not been able to dissociate as Audrey. (And maybe vice versa)

I think this can ground the Audrey situation in to reality, while still allowing for all of of the conflictions in the various tales which include Billy.


Just my 2¢.

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my two cents: your 2¢ makes the most sense. and that adds up to 4¢. i like your thinking. yet, lynch will still probably surprise us!
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Re: Part 14 - We are like the dreamer (SPOILERS)

Postby BigEd » Wed Aug 16, 2017 3:45 pm

iar wrote:Sarah's obsession with Bloody Marys is like my wife's obsession with Bloody Marys. Should I be concerned?


Just go drink in a corner when she tells you to and you should be fine. 8)
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Re: Part 14 - We are like the dreamer (SPOILERS)

Postby Audrey Horne » Wed Aug 16, 2017 3:51 pm

Ragnell wrote:Freddy isn't the first superhero in Twin Peaks. Lots of characters have superpowers, whether they have origins or not.
In the original seasons:

Nadine - Superstrength.

Sarah Palmer - Clairvoyance

Laura Palmer - Clairvoyance

Dale Cooper - Clairvoyance and a level of empathy that borders on telepathy at times. Not to mention being a "strong sender" could arguably confirm telepathy

The Log Lady had an origin story and the ability to communicate with the spirit world through a block of wood.

Maj. Briggs saw the future in his dreams.

Since then we can add Carl Rodd and Gordon Cole to our list of clairvoyants, and superstrength to Dale's list of powers.

Freddy differs mainly because he can actually recount how he got his powers but really, I can't put him next to Nadine and the Log Lady and say he's out of place. His green glove looks a little weird is all.


Audrey and cherry stem knot tying ability.

Donna and her super power to "pass the peas."
God, I love this music. Isn't it too dreamy?
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Re: Part 14 - We are like the dreamer (SPOILERS)

Postby Hester Prynne » Wed Aug 16, 2017 7:07 pm

N. Needleman wrote:I've come to feel that Bell shines with all the weird FBI lore and exposition, and with Lynch and Ferrer. Strange and very affected she may be, but IMO she has a distinct sense of authority to her mystery that really works when she spouts dialogue about the Blue Rose task force or the strange case of Dale Cooper, or seems enrapt by Albert or Cole telling her more. She is not meant to be Plucky FBI Heroine #4 for some other show - she is this archetype and it suits the material, IMO. Wouldn't necessarily suit other stuff, but it works here.


I was initially disappointed by her character at first because I thought she would have a more central role and I wasn't happy with how her character was portrayed, but she has been growing on me, especially the past couple of episodes. And those strange affects are definitely starting to feel more tied-in to her as a character as opposed to Chrysta Bell, the performer.

I do wonder if she will have more significance towards the end of the show. I still have doubts about Albert, and given the fates of the Blue Rose task force members not having a good track record, I wonder where she, Gordon, and Albert are going to end up at the end of this. I also think it's odd they had been watching her since high school - how would they have even known about her when she was that young? Is there some kind of special FBI summer camp you can go to :D? Or is she related to another character? Does she have a connection to another character in the show that Gordon and Albert know about, but that hasn't been revealed to us yet?
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Re: Part 14 - We are like the dreamer (SPOILERS)

Postby sewhite2000 » Wed Aug 16, 2017 7:54 pm

iar wrote:Sarah's obsession with Bloody Marys is like my wife's obsession with Bloody Marys. Should I be concerned?


Just treat your wife with courtesy and kindness. And if she tells you to go back to the place you were ... do it!
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Re: Part 14 - We are like the dreamer (SPOILERS)

Postby dugpa » Wed Aug 16, 2017 9:12 pm

aldiboronti wrote:
sycamore wrote:ok everyone, I need assistance on this one. I'm keeping the cast and character list updated (see the link in my signature). In part 14, Nathan Frizell is credited as "Voice" ... he is not on the original cast list. Is this possibly the voice of Phillip Jeffries? Can anyone tell if David Bowie is speaking this line from FWWM or TMP or if it's a voiceover? thanks!


Just wanted to give you kudos on your cast list. It's so comprehensive and incredibly helpful.


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