Part 16 - No knock, no doorbell (SPOILERS)

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Re: Part 16 - No knock, no doorbell (SPOILERS)

Postby Rami Airola » Mon Aug 28, 2017 10:46 am

Bad Cooper raped Diane by recording over Cooper's tapes with the tape recorder after recording his voice to it and holding it against his lips. :O
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Re: Part 16 - No knock, no doorbell (SPOILERS)

Postby Rami Airola » Mon Aug 28, 2017 10:51 am

sewhite2000 wrote:I haven't read the book, but a couple of people in the very early episode threads said that it strongly implied that Cooper and Diane had one night of bliss together not long before he left for Twin Peaks.


Maybe it was Cooper recording a beautiful and sexy erotic poem with the tape recorder.
And later Bad Cooper records a nasty porn poem over it.

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Re: Part 16 - No knock, no doorbell (SPOILERS)

Postby wxray » Mon Aug 28, 2017 10:51 am

MoondogJR wrote:
BigEd wrote:
nonemoreblack wrote:I wouldn't be surprised if some of the those scenes were real and some weren't, just to add to the dreamy feel of the Roadhouse.


Yes. Exactly this!


I haven't rewatched, but I was thinking: maybe the scenes in which the announcer (JR Starr) is, are the scenes that aren't 'real'?
Sorry if this idea was stated before!

Hmmm. Interesting. Let's say Audrey survived the bank explosion and is not in a coma. However, perhaps she went off the rails while Richard was a baby (early 90s) and is now in the nut house. Let's say her grasp of reality stopped then.

So:
- ZZ Top: mid 80s. Audrey was in middle school. She'd be very familiar with "Sharp Dressed Man." And she likes Sharp Dressed Men.
- James: of course she knows James
- NIN: early 90s
- Eddie/Pearl Jam: THE band of the early 90s.

So maybe those JR Starr tunes are playing in her head and that is her projection.

Johnny Jewel and the other stuff? Nope. Not her thing.
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Re: Part 16 - No knock, no doorbell (SPOILERS)

Postby zeronumber » Mon Aug 28, 2017 10:57 am

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Re: Part 16 - No knock, no doorbell (SPOILERS)

Postby Denise's Pieces » Mon Aug 28, 2017 10:57 am

I'm pouring out some Cheetos in rememberance of Chantal.
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Re: Part 16 - No knock, no doorbell (SPOILERS)

Postby TheGum » Mon Aug 28, 2017 11:09 am

If last night's episode pushes us more to the benevolent (ish) MIKE and ambivalent ARM theory, then I'm feeling confused. The Convenience Store can't be the Black Lodge as Doppelcoop walked right in, all evidence points to the Red Room being the Black Lodge, so why is MIKE there doing something on the side of good? Are the Lodges changing? "It is in our house now" perhaps the evil from the BL is infiltrating the WL as Cooper's influence changes the BL?

(It may just be that MIKE and the ARM are literally just trying to force BOB to follow the rules, and that they are miffed about Doppelcoop also breaking them)
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Re: Part 16 - No knock, no doorbell (SPOILERS)

Postby tresojos » Mon Aug 28, 2017 11:09 am

Denise's Pieces wrote:I'm pouring out some Cheetos in rememberance of Chantal.

same :cry:
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Re: Part 16 - No knock, no doorbell (SPOILERS)

Postby Audrey Horne » Mon Aug 28, 2017 11:11 am

I think it's important to remember when Frost designed his book, the emphasis placed on Audrey not waking up... "her life hung in the balance," "one tragic figure in all this.."

Hank gets an update years later by Agent Tammy... you'd think there'd by a note in the margins about Audrey's condition. I think at this stage it most likely she has never been part of the normal waking world.
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Re: Part 16 - No knock, no doorbell (SPOILERS)

Postby Audrey Horne » Mon Aug 28, 2017 11:11 am

I think it's important to remember when Frost designed his book, the emphasis placed on Audrey not waking up... "her life hung in the balance," "one tragic figure in all this.."

Hank gets an update years later by Agent Tammy... you'd think there'd by a note in the margins about Audrey's condition. I think at this stage it most likely she has never been part of the normal waking world.
God, I love this music. Isn't it too dreamy?
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Re: Part 16 - No knock, no doorbell (SPOILERS)

Postby Esselgee » Mon Aug 28, 2017 11:14 am

So the Miss Twin Peaks contest was held at the roadhouse. We know that Audrey didn't participate in any of the dance numbers because Fenn refused to do them. I'm not sure if she was supposed to be just part of the group dance or have her own individual dance number. And now what do we get in this episode? Audrey finally dancing at the roadhouse in front of an audience! Maybe Audrey regretted not dancing for Miss TP.
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Postby zeronumber » Mon Aug 28, 2017 11:27 am

Jerry Horne wrote:Fenn's tattoo:

Thats the notorious "Aum" or Om...

The musical intonation of the universe.

Yay Upanishads!

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Re: Part 16 - No knock, no doorbell (SPOILERS)

Postby Normonaut » Mon Aug 28, 2017 11:29 am

Okay if Audrey is in the "nut house", then we can only assume that all the new/nameless characters in the roadhouse who don't interact with anyone from "outside" are also patients in the "nut house".
If so, the "I'm waiting for someone" kinda gets a whole new meaning. I've worked with demented people, and almost all of them were waiting for someone (who for the most part wasn't alive anymore). And if the other poster was correct about the name being shouted before the fight was the same as the name mentioned in E1 being "not in the normal hospital", can we assume the nuthouse isn't even in Twin Peaks? Seems like it's not a large enough town to support a facility like that. Then again it IS Twin Peaks :roll:
Then the question is, what can all the other dialogue tell us?
Who in the nuthouse is Billy? Did he escape? is he a carer, a patient? Is he alive?
The only mention of Billy outside the Road/nuthouse is in the weird RR scene where the entire clientele suddenly changes, right?
Anyway, I'm not sure any of this will matter in the end, it's just fun to speculate.

Also the performances at the Roadhouse could simply be the radio playing in the nuthouse. There's always a radio playing.
Agent Cooper. Listen to the sounds.
It is in our house now. It all can not be said aloud now.
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Re: Part 16 - No knock, no doorbell (SPOILERS)

Postby qbin2001 » Mon Aug 28, 2017 11:31 am

docLEXfisti wrote:Btw, the Silver Mustang Casino Logo is photoshopped-in so bad, it goes perfectly with the Diane black-smoke scene. Richard's disapperaing effects were top-notch though, Diane's vanishing scene as well ;)

Update: the more I look at it, it seems they forgot to "bend" the logo into it's place... hahahaha


Yes. They used this shot in part 3. And in part 4 there is another shot - at night - where logo is in the right place.
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Re: Part 16 - No knock, no doorbell (SPOILERS)

Postby zeronumber » Mon Aug 28, 2017 11:35 am

.........with only one mention in the script so far;
And Dale back 100%....

Utmost in my mind is ....

"How's Annie?"


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Re: Part 16 - No knock, no doorbell (SPOILERS)

Postby Troubbble » Mon Aug 28, 2017 11:38 am

nonemoreblack wrote:
ThumbsUp wrote:
Novalis wrote:
It's interesting that Coop is giving orders to MIKE/TOAM now, like when he instructs him to prepare another seed. MIKE seems a tad too servile in this scene, passively accepting the request. Or it could just be that during his 25yrs residence, Coop was awarded personality of the year (not hard in a world inhabited by a backwards speaking bogeyman and a short-circuiting tree... oh, and an infinitely sad Leland). Is there something we are assumed to have known? Is it because Kyle-damn-fine-Maclachlan is just so winningly charismatic that in every situation he is in, he emerges the natural leader? :P


Haha, I lol'd.

For real though... we have to use the information we have, and based on what we've seen, Coop and Mike have clearly been in an alliance all season long. And the fact that Mike immediately accepts Coop's order to make a new tulpa suggests that they are aligned in a greater way just beyond Mike wanting to get back at Bob or Evil Coop, or steal back the corn, or whatever.


I can see Mike gaining respect for Cooper even if his intentions weren't initially that good.


Not opposed to the idea that Mike respects Cooper in some way... but he also NEEDS him. Under the circumstances, it would be pretty weird for him to refuse the request.

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